NOVEMBER 2013 TOURNAMENT - Pokémon X/Y Generation Fray Discussion
 

I have an idea of a tournament to be done around the end of November. How about that one-Pokémon-per generation idea? You must form a team using six Pokémon, each from a different generation. (No, I will not make exceptions to count Sylveon as Gen I, for instance.) It would be standard Lv. 50 battles using only Pokémon obtained in X/Y (as the Bank wouldn't be out yet).

Rules:
"Normal" Lv. 50
Six Pokémon per player
No more than one Pokémon in each generation
Item Clause (No two Pokémon may hold the same item)
Pokémon may not share evolution lines (no Gardevoir and Gallade, for instance)
Teams may not be altered once entered

I think this could be a fun way to battle before everyone starts importing old teams and hacks get mixed in. We might even be able to pull off a second tournament in mid-December if the first one goes over well.

Wow that's early... it's a good thing Super Training is the only thing that matters. This sounds like a fantastic idea, other than the fact that it'd be reeeaaally difficult obtaining specifics without transfer.

Sylveon is most definitely Gen VI and only Gen VI, I don't understand how an exception could be made at all :P

Hey, it's gotta be before the Bank alters the current games, so I figured it might be cool to try something using only these two.

Given only a month, some folks might try to argue a Pokémon as being in a different generation because a previous form was.

I like the sound of this!

Would using a Mega count as a Gen 6 Pokemon? For example, can I use Mega Aggron?

Hm, haven't decided if having a Mega Pokémon would be allowed. At least the game limits you to just using one per battle, even if you have multiple of them set up.

No, because you have to send out Aggron itself before it becomes Mega Aggron. It might not even use mega evolution at all, just to screw around. Alternate formes don't alter the generation of the Pokemon, only static evolution.

If Mega Pokémon are allowed, they would be of their respective generations. Mega Aggron, for instance, would be Gen III.

This sounds pretty interesting. I have been going nuts over X and Y for the last couple of days and would be very willing to make a team for a tourney like this. Being able to battle before the release of the Pokemon Bank definitely has a nice ring to it.

Im up for something like this, i been already working on my gen 6 team before the bank thing comes out. After i work this current team im planning (A Halloween team :) ) i could start up for this kind of thing.

I'd personally love to do something like this, since I've been itching to do some competitive work in this new system. And if Mega Evos aaare allowed, I may just have something up my sleeve...

I'm all for it, it's just that December is a busy time of me. The whole winter is. Lol screw that, more like the whole year cause of wrestling. But anyways, i'll be excited to watch the Battle Videos and what not, maybe if I'm free I'll participate. But it's gonna be a burden to get my team ready so.. We'll see.

I'm so excited I've been building a team for hours. :P Even though I've wanted to do this forever the new Fairy type is throwing me sideways. And I don't see why Mega Evolutions should be banned, they were implemented to give battling an edge. It would be such a waste to ban them.

I'm not saying I will or will not ban them...except Blaziken. That thing is banned regardless.

Speaking of which, we'll need to come up with our own ban list because there are no Gen VI tiers yet.

It's banned? F***, and I just finished creating my potential team. God, now I have to spend another 4 hours writing out members, I haven't even gotten to moves yet...

Are you gonna go with the banning of all current Gen V ubers?

Blaziken is definitely über. There's no question about that. Coupling that with its Mega Stone puts it up there with annoying Pokémon like Palkia.

And yes, all übers from Gen V will likely be banned unless someone can provide solid reasoning why particular ones shouldn't. I think all of our tournaments have banned them, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise.

List here:
http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/uber

Frankly, how many of those guys even exist in X/Y right now?

The only non-legendaries on that list are Blaziken and Excadrill. Blaziken is an event and Excadrill can only be found through someone's Friend Safari.

Also, standard bans would be in place, such as Double Team and Moody.

Hey i thought the games did auto level to lv100? Or is that option for lv100 is from gen 5 still? If it is lv50 will be fine.

They haven't done that since HeartGold. Now it's Lvl 50 all. It's better than the nothing that 5th Gen was.

I like the idea of this, we'll have a ton of variety to choose from.

A tournament idea I had was a Wonder Trade Cup. You put 6 Pokémon up for Wonder trade and you use whatever you receive for the battles; without EV training or changing the moves that the Pokémon has. It involves luck, but I think it would be fun.

I dunno. A lot of what goes up is from breeding, which means NFEs and no EVs. All it takes is one person who gets lucky with a legendary or a Pokémon that was trained through the main game.

Alright, I'm going to make this thing official. We need to figure out the rules though.

Major questions that need to be answered:

• When? I'm thinking late November, sometime around Thanksgiving.
• Who shall run it? Ditto, would you like to do it?
• What format? Singles, Doubles, or Rotation? (Triples are too gimmicky.)
• What is the stance on Mega Evolutions?
• Rules?
  • All battles must be performed on a legal copy of Pokémon X or Pokémon Y using legitimately obtained Pokémon
  • Please save Battle Videos. These may be requested for official reasons.
  • Sleep/Freeze Clause
  • Item Clause
  • Selfdestruct Clause
  • No more than one Pokémon from each generation
  • No more than one Pokémon from an evolution line
  • Anything else?
• What should be banned?
  • Double Team
  • Legendary Pokémon
  • Blaziken
  • Wobbuffet
  • Moxie
  • Bright Powder

Please discuss.

Yeah, Thanksgiving should work for me. :3 I think it should be either Singles or Doubles, but I prefer Singles.

With Mega Evolutions...I'm going to say only 1 Mega Evolution allowed per team.

Item clause....I think everything should be limited to just 1 except for Leftovers.

I agree with Evasion clause being banned as well as Sleep clause. Freeze clause though....you can't really do anything about that; I normally ignore that clause.

I think anything part of Uber should be banned. Dunno if the tier includes Xerneas, Yveltal, or that third legendary, but I would consider them banned. Wobbuffet is only BL, so I think he should be allowed. Blaziken and Mega Blaziken should be banned.

Moxie shouldn't be banned. I don't see why it should be- unless there was recently a new rule banning it from competitive play.

Brightpowder along with ANY hax item should be banned.

Whoops, I meant Moody, not Moxie.

I'm really digging this idea. I've already got some ideas in mind. I think I'll get a team going now~

Question about the 1 per generation on a team rule. Would weavile considered as a 5th gen poke or 4th gen do to sneasle? Also can garchomp be used as i dont think rough skin as been found in X&Y for him that i know of, but sandveil will be used do to that. But i think auto-weather wont break its ability that bad do to the 5 turns thing with auto-weathet. (kinda like using the sandstorm move)

Weavile is Gen IV, and Sneasel is Gen II. Garchomp is a bit of a pain, so I'm not sure on that.

It should most certainly be Singles, it's natural and relaxed.

I don't know why Freeze Clause is a thing, it's uncontrollable.

The version mascots are generally regarded as Uber, and they're the only new legendary Pokemon in this gen.

The game itself only allows 1 Mega Evolution per team, dummy :P I don't think they should be banned, they're relatively balanced in that it's just a forme change.

Weavile is definitely 4th Gen. Always has been, always will be. Garchomp isn't invincible like Mega Blaziken can be (giving it Power-Up Punch is unfair), so it's not too bad.

Plus if i use garchomp, pretty much fairys will be harc to deal with unless i can come up with new move set for it. (which i have an idea set to try out)

Alright, sounds good. Singles, no Freeze Clause or Item Clause, add Evasion Clause, and allow Wobbuffet.

Can blaziken with its Blaze ability be used? But with no mega stone. Cause without speed boost blaziken isnt as good but decent enough to be usable.

Hm, I believe we can allow Blaziken with Blaze and without its Mega Stone.

(Seriously, who thought Speed Boost was a good idea? That Yanmega in the Elite Four of Diamond/Pearl should've shown why it shouldn't have been used.)

Don't get me started on Aaron's Yanmega... Speed Boost Mega Blaziken deserves its own tier above Ubers. It's too good at sweeping entire teams with little effort and no set up. IT'S THE META KNIGHT OF POKEMON! :P

Hm, what do you guys think of having it on November 30 (two days after Thanksgiving in the US)?

Also, I need to get a tally for how many people are interested.

I don't hate it. All it means to me is that I REALLY have to get on making a team.

Aieeeek. That date is a little constraining, but it could work.

I think Mario 3D World comes out the day before that.

My team has been finished for a few days so that's alright with me. I just hope I'm not doing anything that day.

So when does this start then? Can pokemon from friend safari be used? Like say like hitmonlee or blissey?
So will sandveil and other abilitys that would boost evade be banned as well?
One last question, will Drizzle and swiftswim combo be used as the weather acts like raindance now with that 5 turn limit?

Drizzle + Swift Swim will likely remain banned for this tournament. Friend Safari Pokémon are certainly eligible as long as you meet the requirement of one Pokémon from each generation without reusing the same evolutionary line. As for other banned abilities...I don't know.

Smogon recently announced Blaziken as an Uber.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads...nlist.3491371/
So are we still going to be able to use Blaziken or not?

Blaziken with Speed Boost is banned, yes, but I see no reason to ban it if it has Blaze. Is there anything wrong with Blaze Blaziken?

I personality think Blaziken with Blaze is harmless, although I am not Smogon so I don't know.

I'm interested. I'm super pumped, becauseI received a Pokémon I was hoping to use on my team over Wonder Trade. With 5 perfect IVs and a great nature... :o Again, so pumped! It hope it can be in the evening (central time) because I work from 10-6... ;<

Oh, can I still join? :D I wanna join!

What about sleep? I just lost online because some punk put 2 of my Pokemon to sleep with Chlorophyll Venusaur. -_- I could go for Doubles, but Singles is fine. Blaziken with Blaze isn't a problem, actually. Can't Baton Pass crazy stats and can't outspeed the majority of the OU metagame after a speed boost considering it has Speed Boost. If psuedo-legandaries are allowed, then I don't see why the 3 birds can't be in.

Edit: Since you said Gallade is part of the Ralts evolution line, does that mean it's considered 3rd gen or 4th? ;)

Sleep Clause is on. Blaze Blaziken is pretty balanced already. I dunno about the legendaries.

Gallade is a Pokémon that originates from 4th Gen, so that's what it is. But it comes from the Ralts evolutionary line, so Gardevoir couldn't be your Gen III representative.

The fact that Sleep Clause is on isn't necessarily a good thing any more.

Sleep isn't as powerful as it once was, receiving two consecutive nerfs in generations, it now only lasts 1-3 turns and the amount of turns that you've been asleep is now saved when switching out, making it so it doesn't reset upon switch-out.

What's more is that since sleep clause's creation, there are many new abilities and attacks that can combat sleep. There's a reason why Game Freak does not enforce it any more.

(put battle vids here I guess?)

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Lots of early hax, then I closed the gap only to lose 2-0 to Paradox. GG!

Yeah, you can post your battle results here. I'll update the brackets as the tournament progresses too.

Why dont you guys post battle vids in that one post i made for XY battle vids? If not....i get it.

Because it makes it easier to know which battle videos are for the tournament.

I had a good battle with Rotom and I won.
8KPW-WWWW-WWW3-DNLZ

He almost had me there. Heres my side of it: AA7W-WWWW-WWW3-DP5E

Cancel that forfeit, my opponent wants to see this to the end, huzzah!

Edit: Still lost.

Wow that was exhilarating! Good game Krayzee!
Battle code: 6TUW-WWWW-WWW3-DS95

Wow, that one had my heart racing. Unfortunately, I couldn't keep up. I lost to Vantas, 0-2. Great game.

NHJW-WWWW-WWW3-DULL

So who hasnt battled yet? Just wanna know so i wont miss ny next battle and lose due to me not being able to battle or something.

Here's my side of the battle. 9ADG-WWWW-WWW3-DUZM Good game, TurtwigX!

I've updated the brackets.
Attachment 5839
(click to enlarge)

Paradox and Ayunnuya still need to battle to get caught up.

Well, I lost. Some nasty confusion results at the end there did me in after a to-the-wire match. Good game, ayun!

Battle video(s):
My side of things against ThePokeMan, since I havent posted it yet : DB6W-WWWW-WWW3-EWZP

and versus Ayunnuya : YXGW-WWWW-WWW3-EWZE

Geez, I feel really bad about how that one ended. It was still a ton of fun though!
My perspective: DPXG WWWW WWW3 EX22

Are we gonna do semi finals tonight?

We will if Kakashi pokes on again, I still have to battle him.

That went a lot worse than I thought, haha. Good game! 2W3W-WWWW-WWW3-E2DT

No worries! It still was a lot of fun! Good Game! JF9G WWWW WWW3 E2Y5

I lost a VERY close battle with Kakashi. If he got paralyzed in the end, I would've won. Excellent job, Kakashi, now your last opponent is Ayunnuya. :P

Battle Video: BYAG-WWWW-WWW3-E4MB

Dude my heart was raceing at the end, i was praying for the para-hax not to happen. IKD if i can get this lucky again.
Heres my side: U9XG-WWWW-WWW3-E4LJ

Yup, my heart stopped. That was more exciting than any Champion, BattleFrontier, or Stadium battle I've ever had.

Kakashi-sensei, it was an honor.
It literally came down to the wire, but I somehow managed to pull through. Kakashi, you're one heck of a trainer. Kudos
U7VG WWWW WWW3 E62L

Awww soo close lol. But ya years of experience, mostly i did alot of battling in the 4th gen to get my skills at this. And i take my time to get my mons As legit as possible and everything. Congrats Ayun! ( I really wanted to win a tourny here, but maybe next time)
Hers my end: E4QW-WWWW-WWW3-E62J

Congrats on the win, Ayunnuya. :marclap:

I wish I had a chance to battle you, but it seems we've had a ton of close battles in this tournament. Thank you everyone for participating, this was definitely one of the more intense tournaments I've partaken in. :3

If i had my bellydrum pulled off i would have won any of my battles more easy. But you guys made it so hard, i had to choose not to use it do to me thinking my Azumarill would be KOd early.

I shall dole out the prizes tomorrow (Sunday).

Would i get something for coming in 2nd place? If not, oh well i tryed.

Yes, the top four spots will get a prize.

1st: Ayunnuya
2nd: kakashidragon
3rd: Reuniclus and Vantas

Nice. Oh before i forget, will the next tournament we have be after PokeBank comes out? Im hoping to win the next one. ;)

It will likely be before Christmas.

Alright cool. Hope it will be just as awsome as the one we just finished.