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[SauGuru]

So I decided to build a brand new team.
So Far.. I got

TYRANITAR: Focus Sash Anti-Lead
Stats:
341/367/230/238/236/231
Moves:
Pursuit,Superpower,Flamethrower,Crunch

SKARMORY Leftovers Spiker
Stats:
334/212/396/104/176/180
Moves:
Spikes,Whirlwind,Bravebird,Roost

FLYGON ChoiceScarf'ed Revenge Killer
Stats:
302/328/196/176/196/299
Moves:
Earthquake,Outrage,U-turn,Stone Edge

Magnezone Leftovers or LifeOrb MagnetTrapper
Stats:
290/158/266/393/216/210
Moves:
FlashCannon,Tbolt,HPGrass?,Explooosion

TENTACRUEL Toxic Spiker
Stats:
364/148/196/195/341/235
Moves:
TxcSpikes,RapidSpin,SldgBomb,HyrdoPump

????

I'm planning to put a Gengar but I'm not that sure... so can someone tell me what to do??

[.name//Technomancer]

Any Old Trainer will tell you that we used to think Ghost types were weak to Psychic, because the original three Ghosts also count as Poison-types. The same could be said of Grass types, as they were almost all Grass/Poison...

If you require a Ghost type, I suggest Froslass. Gengar's Poison sub-type is useless upon him, as he learns no Poison Attacks naturally, and is therefore hindered by his type disadvantage against Pokemon he's typically chosen to do battle with. Froslass, on the other hand, brings an unusual type-match to the table, as she's able to hack through Psychic, Dragon, Flying, and Ground types based on pure Elemental matchup, and a variety of others through use of TMs and tutoring. This, and superior speed to Gengar, puts Froslass first in attack. She may not Levitate like Gengar does, but Gengar can be grounded, negating his Ground immunity.

Another quirk about forgetting about Gengar would be losing the type-disadvantage shared by his would-be team mate, your Tentacruel. Tentacruel is also a Poison sub-type, thus putting two of your Pokemon in danger against Psychic foes. Eliminating Gengar from the equation would place your team slightly higher in type advantage matchups.

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This part you needn't take into consideration, but I'd like to say, for the record, Skarmory could use being replaced as well. Being Steel, like Magnezone, and sharing a weakness with Tentacruel [Electric], you place your team at a disadvantage against Electric attackers. For instance, against my Kaanta, you'd be hard-pressed with those two. Kaanta is a Gardevoir who happens to know Shock Wave, and Skarmory, who is not known for particularly high Special Defense, would fall instantly. Tentacruel could easily be dispatched by any of her attacks.

For Skarmory, if you absolutely have to keep with the Flying theme, I'd spring for Honchkrow or Xatu, to bring in more Special Attack power to the game, which would balance your team with Heavy Physical hitters and Special Attackers if you went with Froslass like I recommended. If you could stand to drop the Flying type, as you already have that going for you with Flygon, go with an old/new favorite, Garchomp. It would look nice in a two-on-two next to your Tyrannitar, it's Dragon attacks would easily fell anything not defending itself or with reduced effectiveness, and Garchomp is easily as strong as Tyrannitar.

If Garchomp and Froslass aren't your speed [No pun, I swear], and you're not willing to switch out Skarmory, and you still want a Ghost type, you could always raise a Shedinja. Their unusual type matchup and Ability mean you can't be hit with ANYTHING that isn't super-effective on it. Add a Focus Band, and Shedinja can potentially survive deadly attacks. n.n Don't use a Focus Sash though, they disappear after use.

The idea is to mix your team up as much as possible. I like your team so far, the only irks are Skarmory and your desire to add Gengar on the end of your team.

Anyway, that's my two bucks worth. n.n Take what I saw into consideration, but also take it with a grain of salt. Cause honestly, who am I to make you pick and choose Pokemon?

[Sunny]

Thomas I must object to what your saying.
If he were to take away skarmory he would have lost a very important physical wall. The electric weakness actually works for him too. Ya see that flygon of his? Skarmory and tentacruel can be considered "bait" for a free switch to flygon. with that scarf on, flygon can revenge kill anyone foolish enough to fall into using an electric attack.

Same goes for his "psychic" weakness. T-tar is immune to it and gets a free switch and a possible pursuit kill on them. Also this is a competitive play team meant for online play and garchomp is banned in tourneys and from competitive play. Hes been banned for a looong long time...and sadly poor mence might follow him. :<


Anywho I think this team was fairly well designed. I must say thats the first time i've seen a anti-lead t-tar but I noticed your lacking a lil in the sp wall department. Tentacruels ok but its main focus is to set up spikes right?

If you REALLLLY wanna be a jerk i'd say go with a blissey. The skarmbliss combo is a real pain. .-.

Or a gengar would work too, as your team lacks sweepers. o3o

[.name//Technomancer]

Considering most players play Pokemon to Gameshark the life out of their team, and are willing to sacrifice team members for a Baton Pass or an extra kill.

I'm old school. I raise teams to demolish my opponents, but to strategically let my Pokemon die so I can mortally wound my opponent seems weak to me. These Pokemon are our faithful friends, and killing them off or exploiting their weakness' to gain a lead later on seems... Childish. Sqeeze use out of your team, not abuse.

Let's not end up like Paul and simply discard our Pokemon based on usefulness.

Then again, this thread concerns SauGuru, and not our personal objections. Depending on his methods, he may consider my advice useful, or he may decline, as you do. This is fine, as I am not offended by disagreements.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belmont

I'm old school. I raise teams to demolish my opponents, but to strategically let my Pokemon die so I can mortally wound my opponent seems weak to me. These Pokemon are our faithful friends, and killing them off or exploiting their weakness' to gain a lead later on seems... Childish.

Thats the thing though, flygon and t-tar take no damage from electric and psychic respectively. They ain't there to sponge the hits there there to defend the others from harm. See what im saying? =w= A team must have perfect synergy to survive. Every team member must not have a set that works for itself, but to help out the others. Skarm can take hits and heal em off, flygon and t-tar are there to stop the others from taking hits as they completely there other team mates weaknesses. If you have no weak spots no one will be taken down. Ain't calling other tactics "weak" paul like too? ,:3

Think of it this way. They work as a team so that no one gets takin down. =w=

[SauGuru]

Originally Posted by Sunny

Thomas I must object to what your saying.
If he were to take away skarmory he would have lost a very important physical wall. The electric weakness actually works for him too. Ya see that flygon of his? Skarmory and tentacruel can be considered "bait" for a free switch to flygon. with that scarf on, flygon can revenge kill anyone foolish enough to fall into using an electric attack.

Same goes for his "psychic" weakness. T-tar is immune to it and gets a free switch and a possible pursuit kill on them. Also this is a competitive play team meant for online play and garchomp is banned in tourneys and from competitive play. Hes been banned for a looong long time...and sadly poor mence might follow him. :<


Anywho I think this team was fairly well designed. I must say thats the first time i've seen a anti-lead t-tar but I noticed your lacking a lil in the sp wall department. Tentacruels ok but its main focus is to set up spikes right?

If you REALLLLY wanna be a jerk i'd say go with a blissey. The skarmbliss combo is a real pain. .-.

Or a gengar would work too, as your team lacks sweepers. o3o

HI!

Ok, I used this team for a couple of battles.. but Tentacruel doesn't suit me so yeah I'm going to put a Blissey on my team ..

[.name//Technomancer]

Sunny, with you being a moderator, and this being the completely wrong thread to engage in any manner of tactical assessment of strategy, I will not begin to deliberate on this thread. I will say for certain that I have been a trainer for longer than most fans of the games; this reasoning, and my bewildering battling knowledge are both fair grounding to fortify my suggestions to SauGuru.

I told him, not you, to take or leave my advice.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belmont

Sunny, with you being a moderator, and this being the completely wrong thread to engage in any manner of tactical assessment of strategy, I will not begin to deliberate on this thread. I will say for certain that I have been a trainer for longer than most fans of the games; this reasoning, and my bewildering battling knowledge are both fair grounding to fortify my suggestions to SauGuru.

I told him, not you, to take or leave my advice.

Its relevant if were debating about his team. Its often a good thing for people to do back and fourths about there suggestions if one finds the other flawed. =w= Don't take it too heart bro. =p Im the native "tourney tard" of the forums here so I jump on anything I feel flawed competitively. =p Its nuttin but critique~!
My apologies if you felt I was downing your suggestions, but thats totally not the case~! If ya want though we can exchange critique on each others teams via PM. Im always open to poppin ideas back and fourth. =w=

Originally Posted by SauGuru

HI!

Ok, I used this team for a couple of battles.. but Tentacruel doesn't suit me so yeah I'm going to put a Blissey on my team ..

If ya don't mind losing toxic spikes that works~! Im really notta fan of em myself. It gets in the way of my other ailment moves. :> A ghost would go very well with blissey too to cover for her fighting weakness and block rapid spinners. =w= Over all ya got a solid team going~!

[Alakazamaster]

Comments in bold.

Originally Posted by SauGuru

So I decided to build a brand new team.
So Far.. I got

TYRANITAR: Focus Sash Anti-Lead
Stats:
341/367/230/238/236/231
Moves:
Pursuit,Superpower,Flamethrower,Crunch

I like your idea of making an aggressive lead that can also get Sandstorm up for Skarmory, Magnezone, and Flygon. The only problem is that faster leads like Aerodactyl and Azelf are guaranteed to get Stealth Rock down, and bulkier leads like Swampert are going to be able to stay in against you without fear of falling. Jirachi also proves to be a problem, as Iron Head is a clean 2HKO on you, and more like that not it will land a flinch on you due the the 60% chance of it. Flamethrower won't be able to OHKO, either. Infernape is more easily dealt with, thankfully, as Close Combat will take you to your Sash, Superpower will take his to him, and Sandstorm will finish him off. Your main problem, though, is Bronzong. Many Bronzong leads run screens, so after it gets up Light Screen, Flamethrower won't be doing a whole lot. Neither will Crunch or Superpower once the Reflect is set. Gyro Ball will also deal fair damage, due to the obvious weakness to it.

So while an aggresive lead is a more appealing idea on paper, Tyranitar has problem stopping many leads from doing their jobs properly. As such, Tyranitar functions best as a Choice Band or Scarf user, or, with screen support, a Dragon Dancer.

SKARMORY Leftovers Spiker
Stats:
334/212/396/104/176/180
Moves:
Spikes,Whirlwind,Bravebird,Roost

Not much to say about this thing. Standard physical all and spiker that gets the job done. The only possible change I could suggest is PERHAPS giving it a Shed Shell instead of Leftovers. Otherwise, Magnezone will easily have its way with you after OHKOing with Thunderbolt. I wonder, though, what set are you running? Physically defensive or specially defensive? While it may seems silly to give Skarmory Sp.Def EVs, it can prove very beneficial, as you can now take both kinds of attacks and throw up Spikes as you please, while Roosting off the damage. So while the Special Defense set and Physical Set are equal in terms of moves, the EVs placed make a large difference and cater to different team needs. As far as other options go, Gliscor is just as physcially bulky and can abuse Sand Veil to get some useful evasion hax.

FLYGON ChoiceScarf'ed Revenge Killer
Stats:
302/328/196/176/196/299
Moves:
Earthquake,Outrage,U-turn,Stone Edge

Flygon makes an excellent revenge killer, as everyone knows, and this set is no different. Not alot to say here, just be sure to scout alot before you know your foe's team completely. So when in doubt, just use U-Turn to get out of there before something terrifying comes is.

Magnezone Leftovers or LifeOrb MagnetTrapper
Stats:
290/158/266/393/216/210
Moves:
FlashCannon,Tbolt,HPGrass?,Explooosion

Hooray for Magnezone! A reliable check to Empoleon, Scizor, and Skarmory! The set you are running here is standard and has no problems. The only possible change I can imagine is using Hidden Power Ice instead of Grass. Ice generally offers more coverage, but Grass is useful for Swampert, which you seem to have no true counter for anywhere else on your team. Your choice, really.

TENTACRUEL Toxic Spiker
Stats:
364/148/196/195/341/235
Moves:
TxcSpikes,RapidSpin,SldgBomb,HyrdoPump

I actually don't recommend using a Toxic Spiker on a team like this. Toxic Spikes work better on team that are devoted to stalling, with bulky Pokemon like Blissey, Celebi, Rotom-A, and Skarmory. As such, you may find a Vaporeon batter suited to your Water-type needs. Vaporeon is very bulky, and unlike Tentacruel does not suffer that pesky weakness to Earthquake. Vaporeon also has reliable recovery in Wish, and she can even pass Wishes to team member that have trouble recovering their own HP, such as your Magnezone. Vaporeon also has a nice Sp.Atk stat, and can use moves like Surf, Ice Beam, and Hidden Power Electric to great avail. If a bulky Water sweeper is on your mind, Suicune is the way to go. It trades the more supportive role that Vaporeon has and uses its Defenses to try to wall or sweep by itself with moves like Rest, Calm Mind, Sleep Talk, Surf, Hidden Power, and Ice Beam. Each comes with its own benefits, and it all comes down to whether you want a Pokemon that can help the rest of the team, or one that can do its job highhandedly.

But Blissey can just be a pain, so that's cool too.

I'm planning to put a Gengar but I'm not that sure... so can someone tell me what to do??

Hmmm what your team really needs is a devoted physical sweeper. Lucario is a fun option. Both the Agility and Swords Dance sets offer extreme ferocity that can take an unprepared team by sheer force. Just try to take care of the foe's Gliscors or Skarmories ahead of time. Magnezone is especially helpful at taking Skarmory, and your choice of bulky Water can take down Gliscor as well. If Dragon Dancing if your cup of tea, you are better off going with Salamence. Gyarados is quite nice too, but if you pick him then you have 3 Pokemon weak to the ever common Thunderbolt, which would be of no help. Finally, Scizor is an option, as its bolstering Attack stat means that either a Swords Dance set or a Choice Band set would work marvelously. Even if you have 3 Pokemon weak to Fire type moves, your bulk water can take down most anything carrying a Fire type move.

[SauGuru]

Thanks Alakazam!

I replaced my tentacruel for a Vap, and a Scizor for the Gengar.

[RotomGuy]

Blissey is a good choice. She has the highest HP points of any pokemon ever. Flygon is immune to electricity but has a huge ice type weakness. Tyranitars Superpower will be good but i would get a fighting type. Lucario is a good idea. Lucario's extra steel type counters 2 of skarmories weaknesses and his fighting type counters Rock, Ice, Normal, Steel, many types. If I were you, I would add Lucario instead of Gengar.

[legendaryseeker99]

Personally, I use a fire, water grass, electric, and flying type pokemon each in my battles. The other pokemon slot is your choice.