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Want to request a battle or trade in Pokémon X/Y? You can use this thread to keep it simple.
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Old October 11, 2013, 09:13:20 PM
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Let me know if anyone gets extra megastones only found X version. I hear they can be traded. (But first i gotta get Y version first)
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I'm looking for someone to trade with me to evolve my Swirlix. I'll trade you my Swirlix, and another Pokemon holding the item it needs to hold. You'll put the item on the Swirlix, and we'll trade them. Then we'll trade the Pokemon who held the items.
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If anyone that has "only in X version" pokes, let me know and i'll trade ya pokes found only in Y.
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Does anybody have any of the EV reduction berries yet?
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I'll battle! No legendaries from my side and I really detest the gigantic internet room the game has. Friend Code will be on my profile. Message me if you added. D:

Edit: Pokemon aren't really EV trained properly. I haven't found enough reset bags to redo, but meh. BATTLE ANYWAYS!

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I've been checking out the Friend Safari and it is amazing, what with all the Hidden Ability Pokémon. That said, does anyone happen to have a Pumpkaboo and/or Gourgeist with Insomnia? If you do, I have a Chlorophyll Ivysaur or a Bulletproof Quilladin I wouldn't mind parting with...
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I do have both Gourgeist and Pumpkaboo, but I'll have to check their abilities.
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I do have both Gourgeist and Pumpkaboo
I got 1 with its hidden ability from the gts, but its male and for some i cant breed its ability like some sites say males can breed over to the eggs. Also anyone got charizardite X?
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First off i couldnt find the X&Y trading thread. (i dont remeber where it was )

But for now i was woundering if anyone will trade me chaizard's X megastone to me? If i have to i'll trade u chaizard's Y megastone in exchange.
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Does anybody have any of the EV reduction berries yet?
I have a couple

I need a Ninetails so I can get a Drought Ninetails.

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I actually no longer need those berries due to the mutations.
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I need a Ninetails so I can get a Drought Ninetails.
I got a couple of drought ninetails from the safari.
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Anybody have a Mewtwonite Y? I've got X, but mine is Modest.
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Can anyone breed any hidden ability pokemon like the 6th gen starters?
Also i need help with some trade evolves, i need someone to do trade backs with me.

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I want to test out my new Cross Generation team and the Wifi battling of Gen VI. I'm able now and just about any other night.
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K people! I have got a ditto safari friend and i got his safari now. So if u guys need safari dittos tell me what kinds u need. I pretty can get 2ivs max so pick the ones u want. Oh i also have chanseys, spiritombs, Fennican (With DW ability), and other safari pokemon. (I found a safari friend finder thing, and i got like 18 people added from it)
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K people! I have got a ditto safari friend and i got his safari now. So if u guys need safari dittos tell me what kinds u need. I pretty can get 2ivs max so pick the ones u want. Oh i also have chanseys, spiritombs, Fennican (With DW ability), and other safari pokemon. (I found a safari friend finder thing, and i got like 18 people added from it)
Prepare to get attacked from all sides by every breeder here X3

Since you offered, could I please get (very specifically) a Ditto with perfect Attack and Special Attack, a Ditto with perfect Speed and Special Attack, and a third Ditto with perfect Speed and Attack?
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Prepare to get attacked from all sides by every breeder here X3

Since you offered, could I please get (very specifically) a Ditto with perfect Attack and Special Attack, a Ditto with perfect Speed and Special Attack, and a third Ditto with perfect Speed and Attack?
Ok sure, i have to see if i got one with Max attack and sp.atk. But i do have the others u want.
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After hours of breeding I finally got a 5 IV Torchic~! And in the process I have about 9 4 IV Torchic left over. Anyone want one before they go up to Wonder Trade?
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I need someone to help out with a whole bunch of trade Evo's.

Going for a living Pokedex, this time.
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Going for a living Pokedex, this time.
I'm going for mine once the Bank comes out. I have about 450 different species on Ranch, so I'll let you know then.
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I'll certainly take one.

I'm going for mine once the Bank comes out. I have about 450 different species on Ranch, so I'll let you know then.
No, I mean, I have them, but if need to trade them to evolve them
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No, I mean, I have them, but if need to trade them to evolve them
Oh! I could probably help with that too.
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Oh! I could probably help with that too.
Could you? :3

I've got about 8 waiting here.
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Could you? :3

I've got about 8 waiting here.
Sure, I'll meet you...well, I'd say in the Wi-Fi room, but that no longer exists. The easiest way to do this would probably be, after the first trade, to trade each one for the next one. That way we'd only need a total of nine trades.
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Does anyone have any Y-exclusive Mega Stones up for trade? I've got an extra Charizardite X.
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Does anyone have any Y-exclusive Mega Stones up for trade? I've got an extra Charizardite X.
The only Y Megastone im willing to trade is the one for aggron as i see myself not useing it. Will u take this one for Charizard-X stone?
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Hm, I might take that.
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Just let me know if u want it.
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Hmm... if anyone would be kind enough to help me evolve both my Spritzee and Swirlix, I'd be a happier man...
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Hmm... if anyone would be kind enough to help me evolve both my Spritzee and Swirlix, I'd be a happier man...
I'll be willing to help when I get home this afternoon.
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I'll be willing to help when I get home this afternoon.
Never mind, by this point, I've already done both.
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Looking for anyone with either a Smeargle with PIVs in HP and Attack (at least), or a Field breed pokemon with the same. I'm trying to do some quick breeding before the end of today.
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Looking for anyone with either a Smeargle with PIVs in HP and Attack (at least), or a Field breed pokemon with the same. I'm trying to do some quick breeding before the end of today.
One Smeargle hot and ready.
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<3 Thank you, is there anything in specific you would like? I'm currently working in a lab so I won't be able to pick it up until later today.
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Number 1 on the list would be a Chansey Safari, but I don't think you can trade that. Hmm... I've been hearing a lot of talk about Protean Froakie. Got one of those?
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I can breed frokie with its Hidden Ability. It be after i try breeding for a shiny first.
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Number 1 on the list would be a Chansey Safari, but I don't think you can trade that. Hmm... I've been hearing a lot of talk about Protean Froakie. Got one of those?
I've got a spare male from a friend, but I don't have a safari to actually try for a female. Would that work? (On the Froakie side).

Edit: Apparently I already have you! So whichever your ingame name is lemme know and I'll throw you a trade if this works for you!

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Soooo...who's willing to give up a Tyranitarite? I have some...stuff...I guess I could give you some Y-exclusive Mega Stones or the 31/31/31/31/31/31 Ralts that I bred since I don't have much use for it at this point...
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I might consider it. Is that an X-exclusive stone?
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I might consider it. Is that an X-exclusive stone?
That it is indeed.
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I can breed frokie with its Hidden Ability. It be after i try breeding for a shiny first.
I couldnt get a shiny through breeding yet. (with a japan ditto)
But im breeding some froakies with protean, so if anyone wants one let me know.

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I couldnt get a shiny through breeding yet. (with a japan ditto)
But im breeding some froakies with protean, so if anyone wants one let me know.
Yeah, I could use one of those Protean Froakies right about now.
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Yeah, I could use one of those Protean Froakies right about now.
Hook me up with a trade when we both are online in the game.
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Anyone have a Growlithe or Arcanine? I'd like one. D: I don't have much to trade in exchange, though. I gave off my relatively high IVed Pokes on Wonder Trade and got nothing outstanding back. :/

Edit: Received. Tyvm. <3

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Anyone got an extra leftovers they arn't using? I got a butt load of lucky eggs and almost every Friend safari pokemon to trade for one. (Hehe, got like 55 friends just for the safari)
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Can someone PM me if they can help me trade evolve a scyther? I'm offering a 4 perfect IV Modest Charmander just for helping.
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Can someone PM me if they can help me trade evolve a scyther? I'm offering a 4 perfect IV Modest Charmander just for helping.
I could problly help ya, I think i got a pokemon myself thats to evolve through trades.
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Anyone got any X version megastones they aren't going to use? Like charizardite X and Tyranitarite. Im not sure what offer yet for them if you would trade them to me.
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Does anyone wanna trade me ANY competitive pokemon for free?... cause I'm so lazy and don't have time to get some on my own lol
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Does anyone wanna trade me ANY competitive pokemon for free?... cause I'm so lazy and don't have time to get some on my own lol
It depends who u want. I might be able to help.
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Does anyone wanna trade me ANY competitive pokemon for free?... cause I'm so lazy and don't have time to get some on my own lol
Same as previous post.

Also, I need to evolve 2 Machokes. Anyone wanna assist meh? D:
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Same as previous post.

Also, I need to evolve 2 Machokes. Anyone wanna assist meh? D:
I could help with that, if you want
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I need a Ninetales. Taking donations and also trading Rotom's.
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Does anyone have a Jolly Riolu with Bullet Punch?
I'll give a Bulletproof Quilladin with any Nature
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Yay! I'll PM you my friend code.
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Anyone have a Naďve Ditto?

Never mind, I got one.

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Well i was able to get the rest of the starters on X&Y through the GTS. So ive been breeding them so i got tons of each starter thats not found in X&Y, so if you want some hook me up with a PM or VM.
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Looking for 4 or 5 IV pokes and dittos. Got a couple of things for trade and also plenty of Beldums, which are only available via safari.
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Looking for bred drilburs and riolus. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Looking for bred drilburs and riolus. Any help would be much appreciated.
Also, I've got porygons, magikarps, and chespins to offer
Define 'bred'. If you like, we can add one another and you can access my Friend Safari which has Justified Riolu. I would definitely appreciate a Porygon in exchange for such a service!
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Define 'bred'. If you like, we can add one another and you can access my Friend Safari which has Justified Riolu. I would definitely appreciate a Porygon in exchange for such a service!
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I need someone to battle me 3 vs 3 so I can test out my new gym team members.

I also need a Houndoomite.
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If someone could help me evolve my Milotic, I would be most gracious! Adding me would also give you access to Justified Riolu in my Friend Safari, which is a nice reward. I could also trade you a starter from Gens. 2-5 as reward (Tepig not included, sorry!)

EDIT: Trade completed! Thanks Ditto

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If someone could help me evolve my Milotic, I would be most gracious! Adding me would also give you access to Justified Riolu in my Friend Safari, which is a nice reward. I could also trade you a starter from Gens. 2-5 as reward (Tepig not included, sorry!)

EDIT: Trade completed! Thanks Ditto
I could help evolve your milotic if u havnt evolved it yet.
I also could offer Tepigs and Adamant nature shell armor Turtwigs now. (Turtwig has seedbomb on it)
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Just as a heads up, I've got a ton of Porygons, Frillishes, and Drilburs for trade.
I'm also looking for Yamask and non Kalos Starters
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I can supply most of the starters once I return from vacation. I'm currently lacking Chikorita, Snivy, and Tepig.
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I can supply most of the starters once I return from vacation. I'm currently lacking Chikorita, Snivy, and Tepig.
I can supply you with a snivy, admin. and It's good to see you again, well, when you get back from vacation.

I'm actually looking for a battle today.

single/ Flat rules/ standard (if I have any pokemon that is uber, please calmly let me know. I haven't got a chance to see the updated tier list.)

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Nah, I don't need them anymore, but thanks for the offer. I'll probably make some new trade requests when I'm nearing the end of my National Dex completion, and that will most likely be to get Pokémon that require trading to evolve.
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Well as long as pokebank came out, does anyone still need a pokemon? I have all 717 of them. (The legendarys though i dont to many of them) Or if there from a past game i got 2 games of each Gen.
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Man, I need a Regice...

willing to trade Wish/Hypnosis Fennekins or we can discuss it via PM.

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I need a lot of competitive items, big amounts of them.. Life Orbs, Leftovers, Choice Items, Toxic Orbs, Eviolites, Expert Belts, Flame Orbs, etc.

If you got some, I'll be willing to trade a Modest Ralts w/ Gardevoirite, a Shiny Jolly Gligar, Lv. 50 Shiny Timid Gallade, Jolly Froakie, and i'll be willing to trade my event blaziken too.. anyone?
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Lv. 50 Shiny Timid Gallade
Isn't that the Gallade I gave you? You monster ;-; (I'm kidding of course, you can do whatever you want with it)

I might have an extra Leftovers, you don't have to trade anything specific.
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Isn't that the Gallade I gave you? You monster ;-; (I'm kidding of course, you can do whatever you want with it)

I might have an extra Leftovers, you don't have to trade anything specific.
it might be.... but yeah I have a lot less Pokemon than I thought I had in Black. So there wasn't much for me to trade besides those that I listed :\

but i'd be glad to take some leftovers off your hands
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I need a Houndmite if anyone needs a version exclusive Mega Stone.
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For the items that can be normally obtained at the Battle Maison, I suggest grinding either there or at the Battle Institute. If you have a good team, it goes quickly.

Also, once I complete my Living Pokédex, I'll be able to help others with their normal Pokédexes.

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I just bred about 25 Careful Eevees in Black 2 in a rather arduous session of chain breeding (two female, mostly male, decent but not perfect IVs, no hidden ability) so if anyone wants one in either B/W or X/Y let me know.

(Edit: census=[24 male, 2 female])

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Anyone need any PokeBank mons or from past gen games? I can pretty much supply these.
I have 2 3rd gen games, 2 4th gen games, and 2 5th gen games
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Does anyone have a Breloom with Technician? I don't have anyone in my friend list who has that specific safari.
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Does anyone have a Breloom with Technician? I don't have anyone in my friend list who has that specific safari.
Hey Turt I got a Technician Breloom for you
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Hey Turt I got a Technician Breloom for you
I'll be here again ready to trade at 7 PM EST. What would you like?
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I'll be here again ready to trade at 7 PM EST. What would you like?
Nothing Specific. Anything will do.
VM me when you want to trade
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Nothing Specific. Anything will do.
VM me when you want to trade
Alright, well I got something. I'll be back at 7 for the trading.
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Anyone have a Helioptle with Solar Power?
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Does anyone have a game that has access to Garden Vivillons? I've been wanting one for my mono-color team, and I'd rather not restart my save file just to get the kind of Vivillon I want. If someone can help me out, here's what kind of Vivillon I'm looking for:
  • Garden pattern
  • 31 IVs in Special Attack and Speed (though even more would be awesome)
  • Timid Nature
Anything else is fair game. I don't have much to offer besides my many 31/X/31/31/31/31 Noibats and some Mega Stones that I don't plan on using. But if anyone is willing enough, I'd really appreciate it.

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Hello everyone. I am new to the forum and I love to battle! Please pm me if you are interested in battling me. The tiers I like to play are UU and OU!
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I just realized I want a shiny female ralts... more details on what I'm willing to offer for it to come.
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I just realized I want a shiny female ralts... more details on what I'm willing to offer for it to come.
I can RNG on my white 1 for you nytz. (I gotta re-RNG breed for another one anyways, forgot to put Hyper Voice on it) That or i can trade you my shiny gardevoir.
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I can RNG on my white 1 for you nytz. (I gotta re-RNG breed for another one anyways, forgot to put Hyper Voice on it) That or i can trade you my shiny gardevoir.
Hmm... either or is fine. I just love how mega gardevoir looks when shiny.

If you're gonna re breed one, then I'll take the shiny gardevoir. if it isn't too much to ask, could you name her Rosalina?
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Hmm... either or is fine. I just love how mega gardevoir looks when shiny.

If you're gonna re breed one, then I'll take the shiny gardevoir. if it isn't too much to ask, could you name her Rosalina?
Awww the thing is i already moved it to my Y version, so i dont think i can give it a nickname. (Unless they changed it to were you can nickname other OT mons) But i'll trade it anyways.
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Awww the thing is i already moved it to my Y version, so i dont think i can give it a nickname. (Unless they changed it to were you can nickname other OT mons) But i'll trade it anyways.
I'll still take her.
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Anyone Up for a Battle?..I have a team I'd like to try out
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If you're still here then I'm available for the next hour, but if not then this afternoon is also fine.
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I've got tons of Japanese Cyndaquil as breeding rejects if anyone is interested in them (for Typhlosion or anything else in the Field egg group), all Modest and many of which with 5 IVs.

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I've got a ton of Bold Feebas with perfect HP, Defense, SpAtk, and SpDef IVs. These all will eventually be Wonder Traded, let me know if anyone wants one.
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Anyone has a spare Manaphy lying around?
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Anyone has a spare Manaphy lying around?
I have a lv 1 bold nature one.
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Thanks Kakashidragon!

Now all I need is a Rotom...
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Anyone have an Impish Bergmite with Sturdy? (female if possible, otherwise it's fine)
 
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