"Not fully evolved" pokemon Tournament - Discussion

[Sunny]

Discussion for this months tournament on the 27th of February hosted by yours truly~!

Here's the rules I got so far.

GOLDEN RULE: DO NOT LEVEL YOUR POKEMON ABOVE LEVEL 5! ANYTHING OVER LEVEL 5 WILL NOT BE ALOUD.

Rule 1: All pokemon must be in there lowest form of evolution. Pokemon without evolutions like milktank and Tauros do not count.

Rule 2: Single battle, 6 vs 6, level 5 pokemon. Do not go over level 5 under any circumstances.

Rule 3: You may not have the 2 or more of the same kind of pokemon. However you are aloud 2 or else of the same held item being used on you're team.

Rule 4: All pokemon from all regions are aloud, including movesets from HG/SS.

Rule 5: No hacks. Please make sure all pokemon you enter are legitimately obtained.

Rule 6: This tournament will be played on pokemon Diamond/pearl/platinum, And Hg/Ss if anyone has it. Please make sure you're wifi is functioning properly and you know how to battle online.

Rule 7: Clauses in play:-
Sleep Clause - Only one Pokémon can be put to sleep by an opponent at a time, per team.

Self-KO Clause - If an opponent uses Selfdestruct or Explosion with their last Pokémon, they lose the game regardless of the number of Pokémon remaining on the other team.

OHKO Clause - Guillotine, Sheer Cold, Horn Drill and Fissure are banned.

Evasion Clause - Moves that lower accuracy, or increase evasion are banned. However, moves that heighten accuracy are allowed.

Fixed damage clause Sonic boom, and dragon rage are banned.

DeepSeaTooth Clause - The item "DeepSeaTooth" is banned.

Rules 8: Players must choose a certain amount of pokemon from each of these boxes. Each box allows a certain amount. OU is 2, BL is 4, and NU/UU is unlimited.

a) ONLY TWO of the following:
The OU Pokémon of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Abra, Aipom, Bagon, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bronzor, Buizel, Carvanha, Chinchou, Cranidos, Croagunk, Cyndaquil, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini, Drifloon, Duskull, Elekid, Exeggcute, Gastly, Gible, Gligar, Hippopotas, Houndour, Kabuto, Machop, Magnemite, Mankey, Mantyke, Meowth, Misdreavus, Munchlax, Omanyte, Paras, Ponyta, Porygon, Slowpoke, Snover, Squirtle, Staryu, Taillow, Teddiursa, Voltorb, Wailmer.

b) ONLY 4 of the following:
The BL of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Anorith, Aron, Buneary, Bonsly, Cacnea, Charmander, Chimchar, Clamperl, Cubone, Drowzee, Eevee, Geodude, Glameow, Goldeen, Growlithe, Horsea, Krabby, Koffing, Larvitar, Lickitung, Lileep, Magby, Makuhita, Mime Jr., Natu, Nosepass, Numel, Oddish, Onix, Phanpy, Poliwag, Psyduck, Ralts, Ratatta, Remoraid, Riolu, Rhyhorn, Sheildon, Shroomish, Shuppet, Smoochum, Spoink, Stunky, Surskit, Swinub, Tentacool, Trapinch, Treecko, Venonat, Vulpix, Wooper, Zigzagoon.

c) You may choose as many as you like in this tier.
The UU/NU of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Azurill, Baltoy, Beldum, Bidoof, Budew, Bulbasaur, Burmy, Caterpie, Cherubi, Chikorita, Chingling, Cleffa, Combee, Corphish, Ekans, Electrike, Feebas, Finneon, Grimer, Gulpin, Happiny, Hoothoot, Hoppip, Igglybuff, Kricketot, Ledyba, Lotad, Magikarp, Mareep, Mudkip, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nincada, Pichu, Pidgey, Pineco, Piplup, Poochyena, Sandshrew, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shellos, Shinx, Skitty, Skorupi, Slakoth, Slugma, Snorunt, Snubbull, Spearow, Spheal, Spinarak, Starly, Sunkern, Swablu, Togepi, Torchic, Totodile, Turtwig, Tyrogue, Weedle, Whismur, Wingull, Wurmple, Zubat.

What pokemon do you think should be banned: Yup I need your guys help. Obviously pokemon like scyther and sneasel will be able to dominate alot of the first stage evolutions. Please leave your suggestions on what pokemon should be banned.

List of banned pokemon
Scyther
Yanma
Sneasel
Meditite
Murkrow
Tangela
Wynaught

Please give feedback and leave suggestions~!

[GreenLiquid]

Looks like the makings of a pretty unique tournament. Just be sure that you can get someone who can examine competitors' teams between rounds for hacks if you can't do that well yourself. Best of luck with the tournament!

[Alakazamaster]

Oh boy this sounds exciting! I checked the Little Cup Forums, though, and to them these Pokemon are banned: Meditite, Murkrow, Scyther, Sneasel, Yanma, Tangela. You might want to consider doing the same for this tournament, especially because of Scyther and Sneasel.

[GreenLiquid]

Wait, why are those banned? Aren't they lowest-evolved-forms themselves?

[Magmaster12]

Did you talk to Cat about this because I told him about it a long time ago?

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Magmaster12

Did you talk to Cat about this because I told him about it a long time ago?

I asked about a month ago. Although it sounds like you probably asked first Hmm. If you want we could co-host it.

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Oh boy this sounds exciting! I checked the Little Cup Forums, though, and to them these Pokemon are banned: Meditite, Murkrow, Scyther, Sneasel, Yanma, Tangela. You might want to consider doing the same for this tournament, especially because of Scyther and Sneasel.

Aww thanks for the suggestion Kazam~! Scyther is banned for sure, but I'll need more suggestions for the others.

[LiteTheIronMan]

Rule 7 definitely needs to go.

I would actually think that Pokemon with no evolutions should be banned, but I'm on the fence for that as well. I mean, things like Heracross, Miltank, Tauros, and others shouldn't be permitted if they don't really have a "baby" form and are already fully evolved.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by LiteTheIronMan

Rule 7 definitely needs to go.

I would actually think that Pokemon with no evolutions should be banned, but I'm on the fence for that as well. I mean, things like Heracross, Miltank, Tauros, and others shouldn't be permitted if they don't really have a "baby" form and are already fully evolved.

WATCHA GOT AGAINST FUUUUUN? D:

And rule 1 already states that pokemon with no evolution are banned. I'm sticking to that decision. There just too strong. =w=

[Magmaster12]

Fine I'll Co-Host as long as you let me create a list of pokemon you can use.

[LiteTheIronMan]

Oh, I see. I misread Rule 1, thought it meant Pokemon with no evolutions WERE allowed. My bad. Carry on.

[Quadcentruo]

I say any pokemon with only one evolve form (ex: Bronzor to Bronzong) should be banned.
They will be slightly more powerful than Pokemon with two evolve forms (Like Bulbasaur to Ivysaur to Venasaur).

And i better get working on my team... but my friend has my game... oh darn it *grabs diamond* no...

[Sableyed]

It's a called little battle. The pokemon should be unevolved completely, first stage pokemon, who can't evolve. Also, the pokemon should be set at level 5.

[Quadcentruo]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

Also, the pokemon should be set at level 5.

That would take too long.
Plus, its not a "Little-cup Tournament", its a "Not fully evolved tournament".

But i do agree with only the first form of evolution.

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Quadcentruo

I say any pokemon with only one evolve form (ex: Bronzor to Bronzong) should be banned.
They will be slightly more powerful than Pokemon with two evolve forms (Like Bulbasaur to Ivysaur to Venasaur).

And i better get working on my team... but my friend has my game... oh darn it *grabs diamond* no...

I disagree! I think all Pokemon unevolved (sans Scyther, and possible Sneaseal, Murkrow, Tangela, Yanma, and Meditite) should be allowed. There are lots of little cup teams that really on Pokemon like Meowth, Misdreavus, Bronzor, Gligar, and various others.

Well, once more details are hammered out Im sure there will be a voting session for the final rules, much like the other tourneys.

[Achamo~Torchic]

Legendary must banned too....! They not evolved but they're strong!

[Sableyed]

Actually, Level 5 pokemon would take less time. Having a team at level 5 means you have to breed them, then simply get them to level 5. It would put everyone on the same level and let people create new teams.

[Quadcentruo]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

Actually, Level 5 pokemon would take less time. Having a team at level 5 means you have to breed them, then simply get them to level 5. It would put everyone on the same level and let people create new teams.

True, but think about it. Unless your going to breed to get certain egg moves, it wont be very exciting. And plus you don't need to breed to get level 5 pokemon. You could always migrate pokemon or catch very low levels.

Still, it should stay at level 50. It would give people the ability to have pokemon that have their ultimate moves (if they are going to train to level 50) and it would allow them to Ev train them as well.

[The Spirit of Time]

The idea of this cup is nice. I think that level 50 must be the level as it gives the people more opportunity to train their Pokemon. Also, I think that we need to go on with all the banned Pokemon of Smogon. They all are stronger than the other baby Pokemon.

[Sableyed]

*sigh* How can I explain this to you people? Raising pokemon to level 50 takes more time. I'd have to raise a completely new team. With level 5 you can breed the moves you want for the pokemon onto the pokemon, and give them TMs or Move tutors for anything else. Putting it at level 5o makes things far more difficult. Level 5 IS little battle.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

*sigh* How can I explain this to you people? Raising pokemon to level 50 takes more time. I'd have to raise a completely new team. With level 5 you can breed the moves you want for the pokemon onto the pokemon, and give them TMs or Move tutors for anything else. Putting it at level 5o makes things far more difficult. Level 5 IS little battle.

Theirs an option that rounds the pokemon up or down to that level in a wifi battle. If you set it to that option the pokemon will always be set to level 50 during the battle despite what level it was before. There is no "level 5 all" option so im going with this. =w= It will allow trainers that don't breed to instead level up there pokemon to get moves for it.

[RK-9]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

*sigh* How can I explain this to you people? Raising pokemon to level 50 takes more time. I'd have to raise a completely new team. With level 5 you can breed the moves you want for the pokemon onto the pokemon, and give them TMs or Move tutors for anything else. Putting it at level 5o makes things far more difficult. Level 5 IS little battle.

I agree. LET THE LEVEL FIVES IN. NAO. Or else I'd have to raise a completely new team.

[Alakazamaster]

Anyway, Little Cup rules involve Pokemon at lvl. 5, so breeding plays a massive role to get the right moves. Yes, there IS a level 50 option, but if I recall correctly there is also an "Anything Goes" kind of option where pokemon levels are kept where they are. This could either be a little cup tourney, with level 5's, or just a level 50 tournament using pokemon in their smallest stage. Maybe it will be put to a vote?

[Alakazamaster]

I assume the regular banned Pokemon will be banned in this tourney?

[Shadow]

I really, really like this idea, as it is unique and offers many common Pokémon to be put into play. Thumbs up for that.

As to the rules, here's my opinion:

Originally Posted by Sunny

Rule 1: All pokemon must be in there lowest form of evolution. Pokemon without evolutions like milktank and Tauros do not count.
Agreed 100%

Rule 2: Single battle, 6 vs 6, level 50.
Agreed

Rule 3: You may not have the 2 or more of the same kind of pokemon, or item on your team.
Agreed with the same Pokémon part. However, why can't we have the same items on our team? Things like Leftovers, Life Orbs and many others are very common on multiple Pokémon. I say change that

Rule 4: All pokemon from all regions are aloud, including movesets from HG/SS.
Agreed

Rule 5: No hacks. Please make sure all pokemon you enter are legitimately obtained.
Agreed

Rule 6: This tournament will be played on pokemon Diamond/pearl/platinum, And Hg/Ss if anyone has it. Please make sure you're wifi is functioning properly and you know how to battle online.

Rule 7: Clauses in play:-
Sleep Clause - Only one Pokémon can be put to sleep by an opponent at a time, per team.

Self-KO Clause - If an opponent uses Selfdestruct or Explosion with their last Pokémon, they lose the game regardless of the number of Pokémon remaining on the other team.

OHKO Clause - Guillotine, Sheer Cold, Horn Drill and Fissure are banned.

Rule 8: List of banned pokemon
Scyther
Scyther
Yanma
Sneasel
Meditite
Murkrow
Tangela


This is the standard list of banned Pokémon in the Little Cup tournaments, which are more or less the same as NFE tournaments.

I have a good suggestion to prevent over-using some powerful NFE evolved Pokémon, like Anorith.

Each person must choose:

a) ONLY TWO of the following:
The OU Pokémon of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Abra, Aipom, Bagon, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bronzor, Buizel, Carvanha, Chinchou, Cranidos, Croagunk, Cyndaquil, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini, Drifloon, Duskull, Elekid, Exeggcute, Gastly, Gible, Gligar, Hippopotas, Houndour, Kabuto, Machop, Magnemite, Mankey, Mantyke, Meowth, Misdreavus, Munchlax, Omanyte, Paras, Ponyta, Porygon, Slowpoke, Snover, Squirtle, Staryu, Taillow, Teddiursa, Voltorb, Wailmer.

b) ONLY TWO of the following:
The BL of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Anorith, Aron, Buneary, Bonsly, Cacnea, Charmander, Chimchar, Clamperl, Cubone, Drowzee, Eevee, Geodude, Glameow, Goldeen, Growlithe, Horsea, Krabby, Koffing, Larvitar, Lickitung, Lileep, Magby, Makuhita, Mime Jr., Natu, Nosepass, Numel, Oddish, Onix, Phanpy, Poliwag, Psyduck, Ralts, Ratatta, Remoraid, Riolu, Rhyhorn, Sheildon, Shroomish, Shuppet, Smoochum, Spoink, Stunky, Surskit, Swinub, Tentacool, Trapinch, Treecko, Venonat, Vulpix, Wooper, Wynaut, Zigzagoon.

c) ONLY TWO of the following:
The UU/NU of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Azurill, Baltoy, Beldum, Bidoof, Budew, Bulbasaur, Burmy, Caterpie, Cherubi, Chikorita, Chingling, Cleffa, Combee, Corphish, Ekans, Electrike, Feebas, Finneon, Grimer, Gulpin, Happiny, Hoothoot, Hoppip, Igglybuff, Kricketot, Ledyba, Lotad, Magikarp, Mareep, Mudkip, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nincada, Pichu, Pidgey, Pineco, Piplup, Poochyena, Sandshrew, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shellos, Shinx, Skitty, Skorupi, Slakoth, Slugma, Snorunt, Snubbull, Spearow, Spheal, Spinarak, Starly, Sunkern, Swablu, Togepi, Torchic, Totodile, Turtwig, Tyrogue, Weedle, Whismur, Wingull, Wurmple, Zubat.

I deeply believe this is the best option to avoid inequalities, cheating and whatnot. However, I'm not saying this has to be followed. It depends on the hosts of the tournament and the participants' opinions, and whether they agree or not.

Originally Posted by Sableyed

*sigh* How can I explain this to you people? Raising pokemon to level 50 takes more time. I'd have to raise a completely new team. With level 5 you can breed the moves you want for the pokemon onto the pokemon, and give them TMs or Move tutors for anything else. Putting it at level 5o makes things far more difficult. Level 5 IS little battle.

Except that there's no option called 'Level 5 All' in Wi-fi battles.
So it doesn't matter to what level you will raise them in your game, since they will be automatically changed to "Level 50 All".

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Shadow

I really, really like this idea, as it is unique and offers many common Pokémon to be put into play. Thumbs up for that.

As to the rules, here's my opinion:

I have a good suggestion to prevent over-using some powerful NFE evolved Pokémon, like Anorith.

Each person must choose:

a) ONLY TWO of the following:
The OU Pokémon of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Abra, Aipom, Bagon, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bronzor, Buizel, Carvanha, Chinchou, Cranidos, Croagunk, Cyndaquil, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini, Drifloon, Duskull, Elekid, Exeggcute, Gastly, Gible, Gligar, Hippopotas, Houndour, Kabuto, Machop, Magnemite, Mankey, Mantyke, Meowth, Misdreavus, Munchlax, Omanyte, Paras, Ponyta, Porygon, Slowpoke, Snover, Squirtle, Staryu, Taillow, Teddiursa, Voltorb, Wailmer.

b) ONLY TWO of the following:
The BL of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Anorith, Aron, Buneary, Bonsly, Cacnea, Charmander, Chimchar, Clamperl, Cubone, Drowzee, Eevee, Geodude, Glameow, Goldeen, Growlithe, Horsea, Krabby, Koffing, Larvitar, Lickitung, Lileep, Magby, Makuhita, Mime Jr., Natu, Nosepass, Numel, Oddish, Onix, Phanpy, Poliwag, Psyduck, Ralts, Ratatta, Remoraid, Riolu, Rhyhorn, Sheildon, Shroomish, Shuppet, Smoochum, Spoink, Stunky, Surskit, Swinub, Tentacool, Trapinch, Treecko, Venonat, Vulpix, Wooper, Wynaut, Zigzagoon.

c) ONLY TWO of the following:
The UU/NU of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Azurill, Baltoy, Beldum, Bidoof, Budew, Bulbasaur, Burmy, Caterpie, Cherubi, Chikorita, Chingling, Cleffa, Combee, Corphish, Ekans, Electrike, Feebas, Finneon, Grimer, Gulpin, Happiny, Hoothoot, Hoppip, Igglybuff, Kricketot, Ledyba, Lotad, Magikarp, Mareep, Mudkip, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nincada, Pichu, Pidgey, Pineco, Piplup, Poochyena, Sandshrew, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shellos, Shinx, Skitty, Skorupi, Slakoth, Slugma, Snorunt, Snubbull, Spearow, Spheal, Spinarak, Starly, Sunkern, Swablu, Togepi, Torchic, Totodile, Turtwig, Tyrogue, Weedle, Whismur, Wingull, Wurmple, Zubat.

I deeply believe this is the best option to avoid inequalities, cheating and whatnot. However, I'm not saying this has to be followed. It depends on the hosts of the tournament and the participants' opinions, and whether they agree or not.



Except that there's no option called 'Level 5 All' in Wi-fi battles.
So it doesn't matter to what level you will raise them in your game, since they will be automatically changed to "Level 50 All".

Hmmm, I really like the idea of using Pokemon from multiple tiers, that could indeed prevent teams from abusing certain Pokemon. Although, like I said previously, there is a "Free Battle" option, so trainers could raise their Pokemon to level 5, then just use that option and they would stay at that level.

EDIT: It also is a useful way to make all teams relatively equal, since EV training would be quite difficult.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Hmmm, I really like the idea of using Pokemon from multiple tiers, that could indeed prevent teams from abusing certain Pokemon.

Thanks a lot.

Although, like I said previously, there is a "Free Battle" option, so trainers could raise their Pokemon to level 5, then just use that option and they would stay at that level.

But then we would find people whose Pokémon are not all at level 5. That would create chaos.

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Shadow

But then we would find people whose Pokémon are not all at level 5. That would create chaos.

Ungh, I fear your right :O Yes, level 50 would work well. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to come up with a team that is sure to win

[Sunny]

Aww yes, the item thing is only there because its a standard rule in most tournament. I just don't wanna see focus sashes and leftovers on every single pokemon. Buuuut I guess I could trust people not to go TO crazy with those items. =w= And ill add those other rules up to.

Originally Posted by Shadow

I really, really like this idea, as it is unique and offers many common Pokémon to be put into play. Thumbs up for that.

As to the rules, here's my opinion:

I have a good suggestion to prevent over-using some powerful NFE evolved Pokémon, like Anorith.

Each person must choose:

a) ONLY TWO of the following:
The OU Pokémon of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Abra, Aipom, Bagon, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bronzor, Buizel, Carvanha, Chinchou, Cranidos, Croagunk, Cyndaquil, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini, Drifloon, Duskull, Elekid, Exeggcute, Gastly, Gible, Gligar, Hippopotas, Houndour, Kabuto, Machop, Magnemite, Mankey, Mantyke, Meowth, Misdreavus, Munchlax, Omanyte, Paras, Ponyta, Porygon, Slowpoke, Snover, Squirtle, Staryu, Taillow, Teddiursa, Voltorb, Wailmer.

b) ONLY TWO of the following:
The BL of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Anorith, Aron, Buneary, Bonsly, Cacnea, Charmander, Chimchar, Clamperl, Cubone, Drowzee, Eevee, Geodude, Glameow, Goldeen, Growlithe, Horsea, Krabby, Koffing, Larvitar, Lickitung, Lileep, Magby, Makuhita, Mime Jr., Natu, Nosepass, Numel, Oddish, Onix, Phanpy, Poliwag, Psyduck, Ralts, Ratatta, Remoraid, Riolu, Rhyhorn, Sheildon, Shroomish, Shuppet, Smoochum, Spoink, Stunky, Surskit, Swinub, Tentacool, Trapinch, Treecko, Venonat, Vulpix, Wooper, Wynaut, Zigzagoon.

c) ONLY TWO of the following:
The UU/NU of the NFE tier:

Spoiler Alert:    

Azurill, Baltoy, Beldum, Bidoof, Budew, Bulbasaur, Burmy, Caterpie, Cherubi, Chikorita, Chingling, Cleffa, Combee, Corphish, Ekans, Electrike, Feebas, Finneon, Grimer, Gulpin, Happiny, Hoothoot, Hoppip, Igglybuff, Kricketot, Ledyba, Lotad, Magikarp, Mareep, Mudkip, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nincada, Pichu, Pidgey, Pineco, Piplup, Poochyena, Sandshrew, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shellos, Shinx, Skitty, Skorupi, Slakoth, Slugma, Snorunt, Snubbull, Spearow, Spheal, Spinarak, Starly, Sunkern, Swablu, Togepi, Torchic, Totodile, Turtwig, Tyrogue, Weedle, Whismur, Wingull, Wurmple, Zubat.

I deeply believe this is the best option to avoid inequalities, cheating and whatnot. However, I'm not saying this has to be followed. It depends on the hosts of the tournament and the participants' opinions, and whether they agree or not.

Awww, a NFE tier list? Very very helpful~! I think i'll go with this too. I just hope people can follow it though. Thanks a bunch Shadow~!

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Sunny

Aww yes, the item thing is only there because its a standard rule in most tournament. I just don't wanna see a focus sashes and leftovers on every single pokemon. Buuuut I guess I could trust people not to go TO crazy with those items. =w=

You could say that you can have something like 2 identical items on different Pokémon only - not more than that.

Awww, a NFE tier list? Very very helpful~! I think i'll go with this too. I just hope people can follow it though. Thanks a bunch Shadow~!

I'm sure they will. Pokémon are clearly listed in the lists, so there's no excuse.
And you're welcome. I'm glad I helped.

[Magmaster12]

Thankyou sahadow you just made my job completly useless enjoy doing hack checks because I quit.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Magmaster12

Thankyou sahadow you just made my job completly useless enjoy doing hack checks because I quit.

I could use some explanation because I didn't understand.
And why did you quit?

[Sableyed]

*sigh* Look, I think we should make this a proper Little battle. Based on the breeding ability of the trainers. If we don't want to do that, then fine, but can we try to make it even for the people who DON'T want to have to raise a new team to level 50?

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

*sigh* Look, I think we should make this a proper Little battle. Based on the breeding ability of the trainers. If we don't want to do that, then fine, but can we try to make it even for the people who DON'T want to have to raise a new team to level 50?

To be honest, I don't care much about the level of the Pokémon, be it 5 or 50. But, I suggested level 50 because in the Wi-fi battle options, all Pokémon are automatically changed to level 50. That means you don't have to train them to level 50, and we wouldn't find people with wrong levels (which might happen when choosing the "Free for All" or whatever battle.
But I have no problem either way, so I'll leave this issue for you guys to decide.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

*sigh* Look, I think we should make this a proper Little battle. Based on the breeding ability of the trainers. If we don't want to do that, then fine, but can we try to make it even for the people who DON'T want to have to raise a new team to level 50?

You do not raise the pokemon to level 50. Please double check my response to you're previous post. Their is an option that allows it to be a fixed level of either 50 or 100. There is no "level 5 all". Setting the options in to "level 50 all" will automatically make the pokemon you're using level 50 whether its level 1 or level 100.

[Sableyed]

look, if we let second stage pokemon into the tourny and let pokemon be leveled to any level they want, they will be more powerful than the pokemon that were bred and kept at level 5. With EVs having two pokemon at level 50 won't make them equal. And if we let second stage pokemon in, they will be more powerful. I just personally think we should go by little battle rules, As I enjoy little battle.

[Alakazamaster]

Ok things seem a bit jumbled so, if I may, I have made a little something to lower the confusion.

CLASSIC LITTLE BATTLE:
-Pokemon in their lowest evolution forms are used.
-All Pokemon are Level 5.
-"Free Battle" mode would be chosen, and both Trainers would have Pokemon EXCLUSIVELY at Level 5.
-EV training is very difficult when Level 5 is the limit, so it would be easier to make a team and have battlers moderately equal.
-Breeding Pokemon and using TMs are the methods to get good moves on these Pokemon.

NOT FULLY EVOLVED BATTLE-
-Pokemon in their lowest evolution forms are used.
-The "Level 50" battle option is chosen, but these Pokemon could normally be at any level.
-EV training is now an option.
-Pokemon can now use any move let get by level up, making much breeding worthless (sans getting Egg moves)


EITHER ONE-
-Lowest evolutions are used.
-Two Pokemon from each Tiers must be used (OU, BL, and UU/NU)
-Pokemon that do not evolve are banned.
-Tangela, Scyther, Sneasel, Yanma, Murkrow, and Meditite are banned.

These are the two battles being debated over, I hope this helps!

[Shadow]

I think I'd personally go with the classic Little Cup Battle rules. I want to skip EV-training.
However, that's only my opinion.

[Sunny]

Oh my...you guys think I should make a poll?

[Alakazamaster]

Indeed. Considering Little Cup and NFE Level 50 involve vastly different playing strategies.

[Sableyed]

Prolly. Also, one thing you missed is that in little battle, pokemon who don't evolve aren't allowed.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

Prolly. Also, one thing you missed is that in little battle, pokemon who don't evolve aren't allowed.

Rule 1 dood. =w= People seem to be overlooking that. :V

[Alakazamaster]

I think he was talking about me, when I posted that BIG summary a few posts up. ^^^^

[Sableyed]

hm. Magmaster ha a post listing the pokemon that could be used and I saw Sableye in it. I guess he deleted the post, though.

[Sunny]

All done~! Polls up. =w=

Aww and yea, I was considering allowing sableye and other weaker pokemon. What tier do you think sableye would be in?

[Sableyed]

I dunno. Top one, Maybe?

I have a little battle team already, It has one top rank, 2 middle rank, and 3 bottom rank. I'm thinking of restructuring it anyway, but can we have more bottom rank pokemon than top rank?

[Quadcentruo]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

*sigh* Look, I think we should make this a proper Little battle. Based on the breeding ability of the trainers. If we don't want to do that, then fine, but can we try to make it even for the people who DON'T want to have to raise a new team to level 50?

*Deeply breathes*
Ok, the tournament doesn't say "Little battle", it says "Not fully evolved" or "NFE".
If sunny wanted to have a little battle tournament, this topic would say "Little battle pokemon tournament - Discussion" but it doesn't say that so no. It should stay at level 50.
And thank Nintendo for putting an option on wi-fi to automatically raise your pokemon to level 50 for that battle so you DON'T HAVE TO raise your pokemon.

EDIT: and plus i think it would cause more trouble trying to have everyone have all their pokemon at level 5, people from youtube or some random place may not read these rules and just go off on their own little world and have pokemon that are level 30 or something

[LiteTheIronMan]

Well, here. Make it so that Lv. 1-5 is the restriction, even though the game will force-cap it to Lv. 50. That way, people won't be freaking out about teams.

Seriously, I wouldn't enjoy EV training my little baybee Pokemon to Lv. 50. It probably wouldn't even done properly, I'd have to either keep pressing B or hold an Everstone.

[Quadcentruo]

If the tourny is going to be a level 5 free battle, I probably wont join.
It just wouldn't be a pokemon battle, it would be more like "Who can find the strongest pokemon on the unbanned list"

[Sableyed]

Tell me, quad, have you ever actually HAD a little battle? Try the little cup in PBR, Little battles aren't that simple.

[Quadcentruo]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

Tell me, quad, have you ever actually HAD a little battle? Try the little cup in PBR, Little battles aren't that simple.

No i haven't.
But still, this isn't a little cup tournament.
And having Pokemon at level 5 and below would make the stats incredibly low.
I still say the pokemon should be fixed to level 50 on wi-fi

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Quadcentruo

No i haven't.
But still, this isn't a little cup tournament.
And having Pokemon at level 5 and below would make the stats incredibly low.
I still say the pokemon should be fixed to level 50 on wi-fi

Its actually a really cool, different playing experience, Little Cup is. Pokemon are chosen based on their movepools more than their stats, and thus some REALLY intriguing teams can come into play. Pokemon are able to find niches on teams that normally would be unavailable due to the threat of a Pokemon like Scizor or Salamence ripping through, but in Little Cup the best defense is a unique strategy, and spot-on prediction skills.

Needless to say I support the idea of all Lvl. 5's ^_^

[Sunny]

This is true. It is alot more moveset based rather then stat based. I've played the little cup tourney before and ice punched my way to victory with a sneasel. =w=

I'll leave the pull up for 1-2 more days. Don't wanna wait too long to decide.
...
*is still sad sneasel is banned. ;~;*

[Sableyed]

I'd love it if sableye was available, but if we let one-stage pokemon in that opens a floodgate.

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

I'd love it if sableye was available, but if we let one-stage pokemon in that opens a floodgate.

Agreed. People would be wondering if other Pokemon like Pachirisu and Mawile would be allowed, so its probably just better to stick with two Pokemon from each tier.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Quadcentruo

And having Pokemon at level 5 and below would make the stats incredibly low.

Why don't you want to try a new experience?
Enough of the common OU battles. If you think you are a strong Pokémon trainer, you shouldn't have a problem adapting to different conditions, styles and whatnot.
I never really experienced such a tournament before, but it will surely widen my usage of Pokémon, make me develop new strategies, and will give me a better overview of the less common tiers.

[Sphinx]

Originally Posted by Eeeveee

I agree. LET THE LEVEL FIVES IN. NAO. Or else I'd have to raise a completely new team.

You can use level fives. The online battle system just rounds them to 50. But, if you use level fives, YOU WILL LOSE THIS TOURNAMENT!

[Sableyed]

Umm, the whole point is that EVERYONE uses level 5's. That way it's even.

[Quadcentruo]

Originally Posted by Wyvern

The online battle system just rounds them to 50

Correction. The online battle system can round to 50, doesn't have to (thats why people use a FEAR Rattata - Rattata at level 2 with focus sash, uses endeavor and finishes with quick attack)

And shadow, I accept your challenge!
But i would still like a level 50 more than level 5 tournament

[Yoshi648]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Why don't you want to try a new experience?
Enough of the common OU battles. If you think you are a strong Pokémon trainer, you shouldn't have a problem adapting to different conditions, styles and whatnot.
I never really experienced such a tournament before, but it will surely widen my usage of Pokémon, make me develop new strategies, and will give me a better overview of the less common tiers.

I agree with this fully.

[Luxray13579]

The battles should be level 1. It would twist things up a little bit.

[Alakazamaster]

The idea to use 2 Pokemon was a great idea, but I have to say its making it really hard to make a balanced team! The UU/NU tier is especially displeasing, with Pokemon like Magikarp and Weedle.

[Sableyed]

Level 1 is kind of impossible, and it prevents pokemon bred in previous games. Level 5 gives you a tiny bit of time to train your pokemon.

[Sunny]

Well, I've been convinced enough. =w=
Level 5 it is. Aww also, I will allow more then 2 NU/UUs and BL. However you may still only use 2 OUs.

(Now just to figure out how to close the poll. .-.)

[Alakazamaster]

Oh! So we could have say 4 BLs? And is Item Clause on, or can we have more than one of an item?

[DashArmy]

1. 3 Pokemon Only. Makes it quick and smooth
2. Level 5 and below. Need I say more
3. No legendaries.
4. No One Hit KO moves
5. Please, keep it simple enough for my poke-ball sized brain to understand


A Level 50 would ruin the 'Little Cup" purpose and wouldn't be a little cup.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Oh! So we could have say 4 BLs? And is Item Clause on, or can we have more than one of an item?

You may have no more then 2 of the same items. I think that should be enough hopefully. =w=

And BL tier has been moved up to 4, UU/NU tiers is now unlimited, and sableye and farfetch'd are now allowed. (OU tier though)

Originally Posted by AshArmy

1. 3 Pokemon Only. Makes it quick and smooth
2. Level 5 and below. Need I say more
3. No legendaries.
4. No One Hit KO moves
5. Please, keep it simple enough for my poke-ball sized brain to understand


A Level 50 would ruin the 'Little Cup" purpose and wouldn't be a little cup.

All of these are in effect except number 1. If I get enough people asking for it I'll put a poll up. =w= I don't wanna change rules too frequently or it will cause alot of confusion.

[Alakazamaster]

Sableye is allowed now? Ruh roh! I had better find a good counter to the Pokemon without a super effective weakness...

[Quadcentruo]

I checked the listing of unbanned pokes.

Umm... No Wynaught.
Just trust me on this. Its considered uber on Smogon for a reason.

[Sableyed]

No wynaut. Yes sableye. Also no legendaries is a moot point, since most pokemon who don't evolve aren't allowed anyway.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Quadcentruo

I checked the listing of unbanned pokes.

Umm... No Wynaught.
Just trust me on this. Its considered uber on Smogon for a reason.

Oh god how could I forget wynaught? .-. Adding him up~!

[Sableyed]

Why is he banned? Why not! XD

On non-pun related topic, Are we only letting in Fartetch'd and Sableye? They're the only pokemon I would use anyway, but if somebody requests a pokemon that fits, we should probably evaluate it.

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

Why is he banned? Why not! XD

On non-pun related topic, Are we only letting in Fartetch'd and Sableye? They're the only pokemon I would use anyway, but if somebody requests a pokemon that fits, we should probably evaluate it.

Argh, this is getting complicated! >.< If it were up to me, it should have stayed with no Pokemon without evolutions, because now things are getting... sticky. :88:

[Sunny]

Mm yea maybe I shouldn't. Waaah im fickle. I just kinda wish pokemon like farfetch'd actually get a chance to fight ya know? =w= But...yea if I let a few in, a ton of request will be pouring in soon enough. Sorry sable.

[Sableyed]

*sniffle* I'll be fine. Really.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

*sniffle* I'll be fine. Really.

We'll both have to be tough. Sneasels on the banned list too. ;~;

[Alakazamaster]

Not to mention Tangela, who I really wanted to abuse :(

[Ditto616]

I know I'm a bit late, but I see no problem with the rules right now. I think the choosing from the different tiers was a great and clever idea. We better both make it to the finals again, Sunny.

[Shadow]

Okay, I think the rules have been finalized now. I'll start preparing my team.

On a side note, when will the tournament take place?
(I hope it's towards the very end of February, since I'm very busy with tests right now >_>)

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Ditto616

I know I'm a bit late, but I see no problem with the rules right now. I think the choosing from the different tiers was a great and clever idea. We better both make it to the finals again, Sunny.

Haha don't be so sure, Ditto. I may not have been here for the November Pokemon Tourney, but I'm better at Pokemon than I am at Mario Kart!

[Sableyed]

I'm sure I'll be knocked out in the first round AGAIN, but I'll join.

[Quadcentruo]

Originally Posted by Shadow

On a side note, when will the tournament take place?
(I hope it's towards the very end of February, since I'm very busy with tests right now >_>)

It will take place on the last saturaday of the month, like every tournament!

[LiteTheIronMan]

Just to point out, Free Battle at an unspoken Lv. 5 restriction is winning out.

Unspoken meaning it's not forced by the game, but for the tourney's sake you need to make sure they're at that level.

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by LiteTheIronMan

Just to point out, Free Battle at an unspoken Lv. 5 restriction is winning out.

Unspoken meaning it's not forced by the game, but for the tourney's sake you need to make sure they're at that level.

Agreed completely. Indeed, I vote that if someone tries to pull some sort of hat trick they should be disqualified immediately.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Agreed completely. Indeed, I vote that if someone tries to pull some sort of hat trick they should be disqualified immediately.

Got it covered~! =w= Cat's gonna be doing hack checks for those who have passed the 1st round. That way if a hacker or a cheater does show up, they won't be able to cheat anyone out of the competition.

[Alakazamaster]

Hack checks? How?

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Hack checks? How?

If anyone reports something wrong with the opponents team Cat will check and ban em from the tourny. It shouldn't be hard to spot anything out of place on level 5 pokemon. =w=

[Alakazamaster]

Haha true, true. In fact, I'm probably going to record the best battles I have, and upload them!

[RK-9]

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Agreed. People would be wondering if other Pokemon like Pachirisu and Mawile would be allowed, so its probably just better to stick with two Pokemon from each tier.

I wanted Mawile. ._.

[Alakazamaster]

Oh! Big time news! I believe there is another something that should be banned...

DeepSeaTooth.

This doubles Clamperl's special attack to a MONSTROUS 36, which lets it shred through teams easily. Even Munchlax, the top dog when it comes to special wallking, is 2HKOd.

DeepSeaScale is OK though, since it doesn't make it a vicious sweeper.

[Sableyed]

Yes, Deepseatooth should verily be banned. Also, maybe, for this tourny, we might let in Mawile and Sableye?

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Sableyed

Yes, Deepseatooth should verily be banned. Also, maybe, for this tourny, we might let in Mawile and Sableye?

Under no circumstances Mawile. It can be really vicious with Swords Dance + Sucker Punch, preventing most anything from getting a hit. Once again, this is Little Cup, not "kinda weak Pokemon, so maybe we should let in specific ones that don't evolve-cup."

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Oh! Big time news! I believe there is another something that should be banned...

DeepSeaTooth.

This doubles Clamperl's special attack to a MONSTROUS 36, which lets it shred through teams easily. Even Munchlax, the top dog when it comes to special wallking, is 2HKOd.

Awww nice find Kazam~! Woulda totally missed that. Also Evasion clause will be added as well~!

Originally Posted by Sableyed

Yes, Deepseatooth should verily be banned. Also, maybe, for this tourny, we might let in Mawile and Sableye?

Hmm maybe sometime later we'll have a NU pokemon tournament for those pokemon. =w=


EDIT: My rule list is starting to get huge. .-. Might have to edit a few of the obvious rules out.

[Ditto616]

I'm not sure if this is a typo or not, but the rules do have a contradiction. Rule 8 says that you may only use 3 BL, while Rule 8 B) states that you can use up to four. Can this be fixed please?

[Sunny]

Uuuhg typos. .-. Thanks Ditto~!

[Quadcentruo]

Should there be a freeze clause?
To my knowledge, there isn't a move that causes freeze (without inflicting damage to HP). so i'm kinda split between that.

[Alakazamaster]

Originally Posted by Quadcentruo

Should there be a freeze clause?
To my knowledge, there isn't a move that causes freeze (without inflicting damage to HP). so i'm kinda split between that.

I always found Freeze Clause kinda awkward... I mean you don't choose when you freeze them. I don't think there should be one, since there's no way to prevent it from happening.

[Sableyed]

What are the chances a level 5 pokemon could freez two pokemon? I say don't bother.

[Sunny]

Naaaah I thought of freeze clause but its really not that important.
The odds of getting 1 freeze is 1/10. So the average of 2 freezes (Non-consecutively) is 20 moves that induce ice attacks. And even at that its still luck based and can go over 20 attempts. Don't worry I won't add it. The rule list is already large enough. =w=

[BlackRayquaza]

Okay! So far, this looks like a good tourney! I wish I could co-host with some others. If someone hasn't already volunteered for the team checking, I can do that. So, good luck with the tourney! BTW, I can help you on any tourney needs.

[RK-9]

Originally Posted by Alakazamaster

Under no circumstances Mawile. It can be really vicious with Swords Dance + Sucker Punch, preventing most anything from getting a hit. Once again, this is Little Cup, not "kinda weak Pokemon, so maybe we should let in specific ones that don't evolve-cup."

AAAGH!!! I was gonna use that combo!