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Well, I bet that other places could explain it better than me, but here it goes. The Pokémon's highest stat determines the type of EV given. I do believe the stage of it determines how many EVs it gives. You can only stack up to 255 EVs in one stat, and can only have a total of 510, resulting in either a combination of 3 or more stats, or two maxed. EXP shares do transfer EVs, but I wouldn't recommend that. The Power items that you can get from the Battle Frontier increase EVs given by 4, and Pokérus doubles the amount given. So, for example, you have your Weedle with the Pokérus and the Power Weight, the item for Speed EVs. You can get 10 EVs off of a Pokémon that would normally yield one.
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Yeah, I've also starting to learn how to EV train recently. Yes, items such as the EXP share do work. The effort point is given to the original Pokemon AND the one holding the item. So if you KO a Pokemon that gives out 2 effort points for speed, the original Pokemon and the one holding the EXP share will both get 2 effort points each.
Serebii also has lots of information on EV training, including what Pokemon give out what value and how many points. Last edited by Yoshi648; April 5, 2010 at 04:34:07 PM. |
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Yeah, that should work especially for the low levels.
I currently have a Lv. 1 Weedle and I'm going to get my Power Anklet once I finish this Battle Arcade run and get 2 BP. Then I'll go to Route 1 and train, probably. I also plan to train on Poliwag/Poliwhirl near Mt. Silver since Poliwhirl appears 92% when you Surf there and he gives you 2 Speed EVs. This is working out nicely! <3 |
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Steps to EV training:
1.Design- Find out what moves you want, the base stats, and how you can base your stats on these. 2.Breed- For the IVs, nature abilities, etc. 3.Pre EV Train- Give your pokemon pokerus by placing him directly after your "Spreader" pokemon, and fighting a couple battles. Then, go and buy (assuming you are filthy rich!) 1-10 of each EV gaining vitamin that you will be training with. Use them all on your new poke. 4.Calculate and Battle- Based on the following: 510 EVs total. 255 EVs per Stat, but you only want 252. You already have: 10* <Vitamin used> Evs in said stats. Pokerus double EV gain, from power items and natural EVs, but not vitamins. Power items add 4 EVs to each battle, or 8 w/ pokerus. So, take your spread that you came up with, and do a little math, subtract what you already have from the total you will need, and then divide that by what you will receive. In other words: (Total needed-10*#of vitamins)/((Evs from poke+Power item?)*2 if pokerus) = number of battles needed, remainder will be the number of EVs needed after you remove your power items. Once satisfied with your math, go out and fight whatever you need too. (If fighting a poke that yields the min. 1 EV normally, each battle yields 10 EVs this way! This means if vitamins are used, only 30 battles are necessary.) 5.Check it. Go to sunnyshore/wherever it is in HG/SS that gives you an effort ribbon. If you got it, Perfect, if not, then go check yourself. If your EV spread isn't perfect, it isn't the end of the world. It just means that, at most, you will lack one stat point at lvl 100. Side notes- Although you can use EXP share, don't. Power items are too necessary. If you don't have the power items, I'm free to help you with that- Email me- s3r3nad3@yahoo.com and we can take on the battle facility of your choice for BP.- If you think it will take forever, then your wrong. It yields at least 7-8 per round, and each power item is only 16 BP, if you have fun, you will be swimming in BP before you know it. If you don't know what pokerus is- http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokerus If your wondering why you need all the stuff before... well, would you rather fight 16 specific pokemon, or 510???? If you need to know what to fight, look it up on bulbapedia, or serebii, they have wonderfull charts. I usually attach a different power item to my pokemon than the EV that my poke is getting from the wild pokemon- That way, I don't have to find another set of wild pokemon to fight. Last edited by Serenade; April 20, 2010 at 09:43:03 PM. |
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Tip: You can 'delete' some EVs that your Pokémon accidentally got using some special berries. Here's a list of those berries and which EVs they 'delete':
Pomeg Berry - HP Kelpsy Berry - Attack Qualot Berry - Defense Hondew Berry - Sp. Attack Grepa Berry - Sp. Defense Tamato Berry - Speed If your Pokémon has less than 110 EVs, then when you use one of those berries, the corresponding stat's EVs are reduced by 10 only. However, if your Pokémon has more than 110 EVs, then when you use one of those berries for the first time, the corresponding stat's EVs will immediately be reduced to 100. Then, when you use another one, the EVs will be reduced by 10. So, in conclusion, you need 11 berries to clear away any EVs in any stat completely. |
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Uhm, well, so far I have a Lv. 6 Weedle, holding a Power Anklet for Speed. I'm training on Route 1 which gives me a 75% chance for 1 Speed EV from Pidgey or Ratatta, a 5% change for 2 Speed EVs from Furret, and a 20% chance for an (Attack?) Ev from Sentret.
Shadow, I think I'm going to try to get some Defense EVs after Speed, so that should help. :u Serenade, I know of Pokerus but I don't have a Pokemon with it. Wanna hook me up with one? :3 |
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Umm so... I'll just do Speed?
How do I know when one stat is maxed in EVs? Also, I'm pretty sure it already has over 100 Speed EVs, because I tried to use an Iron (or whichever one boosts Speed) on my Lv. 10 Beedrill and it had no effect. It's really slow, especially with Magikarp. But I should get some good stat gains. |
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Okay, here. The basic gist of Serenade's post was that you can max your EV's out at 510, so you can split that into two and get 255. So two stats max out at 255. With PokeRus and a Power Item, it reduces 255 down signlficantly. So instead of fighting 255 Magikarp for Speed, you only need to fight 26 with a PokeRus'd Pokemon equipped with a Power Anklet. Rinse repeat for other stats.
The only thing that I find tedious about EV'ing is waiting for said Pokemon to show up. Oh, and using steroids such as Carbos and the like would reduce 26 to 16, if you use a total of ten steroids on one stat.. (If I did my math right. Correct me someone.) As for the breeding aspect, it's been made so much easier in HGSS. If one of the parents is holding a Power Item, they will pass down IVs for that stat. And you can easily determine what stats your Pokemon's nature will boost/lower by looking at the color of stats. Let's look at this example. Pokemon HP Atk Def Sp. Atk Sp. Def Speed See how one stat is highlighted in red, while another is blue? That's Game Freak's little way of helping people determine what natures boost what stats. In this case, the Pokemon's nature helps boost Attack (Red highlights what is boosted) and lowers the Pokemon's Defense (Blue denotes whatever is lowered). There. I know I restated some things other people have said, just trying to see if I can shed a little bit more light onto the subject. And I added my own little schtick too. Hopefully this helps. Damn, now looking back at my post, even I could get started on EV'ing a new team... Last edited by LiteTheIronMan; April 8, 2010 at 04:13:04 PM. |
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Another bit of advice, try to conecntrate on what your doing while EV'ing. If you aren't sure whethere you just beat something or not, don't count anything. It's better to have to kill one more Pokemon than to not have sufficient EV's.
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...but if you use the regular method of walking into tall grass, it is even harder, because your Poketch does not measure your "streak" of Pokemon that you have killed, so if you think you have messed up it's harder to reset your numbers.
Oh, and also make absolut SURE you have Pokerus, it makes things SO much easier. Power Item + Pokerus means that you'll get 10 EVs from every Pokemon that gives out 1 effort value! :O |
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SK, did you check Serebii and Smogon? Do I give you the links? Seriously, Ev training isn't just some battling you know... You also need to see the benefitial natures, the difference between physical and special moves, and so on. I reassure you to check these two sites and read them thoroughly. I f you want any help in navigatting them then PM me. I mean it as I am talking from experience; these two sites are good enough to teach you as they taught everyone of us.
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So, maybe I should get another Weedle with good IVs and a good Nature, then EV it train for Speed after giving it 10 steroids? I dunno what IVs are exactly, but I'll figure it out soon. Quote:
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IVs, range from 1-31 on stat of every pokemon, they cannot be changed once the are attained, but can be bred to improve, and passed down. The only place you see perfect IV pokemon is on battle tower, and in the pokemon leagues.
Each IV raises its particular stat by 1 point at 100, therefore, every 100/<had IVs> your stat will rise one time, 31 IVs, means that every 3.4 or so levels, you get an addition stat from the IVS, 31 times. IVs are also used in a few other areas, namely spinda's spots, unown's formes, and mirage island. Last edited by Serenade; April 10, 2010 at 05:44:04 AM. |
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SK: Keep in mind that IVs are harder to control and determine than EVs, so it is very difficult to get the perfect IVs that you want. This explains why some people ignore them completely, or accept Pokémon with mediocre IVs. I, for one, use any Pokémon which has acceptable IVs.
(A useful way of seeing the difference in IVs between similar Pokémon is to start a level 100 'IV battle' with someone. It's not really a battle; you just check out the stats of your Pokémon and then use an IV generator to see which one has the better IVs. Alternatively, you can just take the Pokémon with the better-looking stats without finding out their IVs. After using either way, you simply quit the battle.) Perfectly describes what happened with me. |
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If you're wondering what they stand for, IV is short for Individual Value, named so because they differ from Pokemon to Pokemon. It's why wild Pokemon belonging in the same species and sharing the same natures may still have slightly different IVs. Oh, by the way, guys, if anyone begins EV training in Johto now that HGSS is out, I've been doing so myself and compiling a list of good places to EV train. So far, I've got the following down: HP: Due to pollution, the water in Celadon City is full of Grimer, which give out HP EVs. Don't fight Muk, as they have other EVs to distribute and may put your training out of sync. Attack: Sentret give good Attack EVs, so head to New Bark or Pallet and look around. Defense: Metapod and Kakuna both give out 2 Defense EVs instead of one, so keep a watch out for them in places like Ilex Forest, or other areas where Bug types cumulate. If you're having trouble finding them, the more common Geodude can be found in most cave areas (assuming you don't run into Zubat or other Pokemon along the way.) Special Attack: The lake in Ilex Forest will give you Psyduck and Golduck. Golduck give you two EV points of SpAtk instead of one, so this is a good way to speed up the process. Special Defense: In case you haven't noticed, there's tons of Drowzee hanging around Route 34. They give out good Special Defense EVs. Also, whenever you surf over water routes, keep an eye out for the Tentacool family. They also give out Sp. Def EVs, and Tentacruel gives out 2 instead of 1. Speed: Use the Old Rod anywhere. Magikarp give out Speed EVs. The Pidgey and Rattata family are also good ways to earn Speed EVs. Poliwag and Poliwhirl near Mt. Silver can also be grinded on in a similar way to the Psyduck family. Poliwhirl will distribute 2 Speed EVs. I'll contribute more to this post later when I find more spots. Last edited by LiteTheIronMan; April 11, 2010 at 02:05:13 PM. Reason: There aren't many good Attack spots. I'll keep looking. |
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Lols, at least I already knew what IV stood for. Beast, right? :u
Lite, thanks a lot for those locations. <3 By the way, Poliwag/Poliwhirl near Mt. Silver are also good for Speed since the occasional Poliwhirl will appear and give 2 Speed EVs. They're Lv. 35ish so they give better experience if you need it. Also, I currently have a Weedle with a good nature. Not sure which one, but it increases Speed ad decreases.. Something that's not Attack. :3 I'm gonna give it PokeRus soon, but I had a question. Let's say my PokeRus'd Weedle beats a Magikarp while holding a Power Anklet. Does it get 6 EVs (Double, then add Power item) or 10 EVs (Add Power item, then double)? I'm pretty sure it's the latter option, just making sure. Only doing 16 battles would be quite convenient. |
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Thanks, I'll add the Poliwag thing to the locations. |
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Also, if you need any help on training any Pokemon, you just gotta give me a shout. |
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IVs are stats Pokémon randomly have when caught. They range from 0 to 31, a higher IV means a stronger Pokémon. They can not change, and are really only important for competitive battling.
EVs are stats Pokémon gain when you defeat other Pokémon. They affect how strong Pokémon are as well, but can be modified and tweaked to your liking. If your Pokémon only uses Physical moves, the special attack EV is useless, and instead should be distributed among other stats. |
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....Erm. This thread is a bit moot since these questions were answered by a lot of people in the EV Question thread. I suppose we could leave this open for the basic gist of things.
So, yeah. EVs and IVs... EVs stand for Effort Values. They're basically semi-invisible points. that boost a Pokemon's stats. Every Pokemon you faint in the wild or in battle will grant EVs, and upon levelup those EVs take place and boost stats. IVs are Individual Values. Most of the time these are determined randomly but can be slightly controlled through breeding for natures and using the Power item method introduced in HGSS. |
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EDIT: Done. Disregard the last eight or so posts. Last edited by LiteTheIronMan; April 13, 2010 at 04:44:36 PM. |
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Power Items add 4 extra EVs to everything that you beat. Fantastically useful. Say you fought a Pokemon that give out 1 EV.
1 + 4 = 5 Nice, huh? Now let's incorporate Pokerus... (1 + 4) * 2 = 10 10 EVs per Pokemon! That would mean to max out a stat, you would only have to beat 26 Pokemon. This speeds up thing by an incredible amount. |
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If your trying to get EV training done, with the speed at least, it will be very helpful to know where they are! |
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Perhaps this would be of help of what Pokémon give out what Effort Values?
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I don't have the patience to EV train...lol
I think I may semi EV train a Vaporeon someday for Def/Sp.Def mix, so that way it'll be strong in DEF, Sp.DEF, and HP. Plus my "attacking wall" strat for it. So It's naturally strong in HP, and Sp. ATK, and I train it for DEF and SP.DEF (SPD and ATK can go die) I'll have an uberveon. (I know EV training is about boosting the strongest star, in this case HP, but IDC. ) But like I said...no patience. Last edited by Flare Soru; April 14, 2010 at 07:12:43 PM. |
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That reason being, Why bother knowing the EV's of every Pokemon? Why not just the most common ones? |
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But yeah, the highest level I've gotten a Pokemon while EVing was 16. It's not actually about leveling them up, more about fighting certain Pokemon x times. |
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you SERIOUS?!?!? So when I was battling you...I WAS BATTLING LV. 14's?!?!?!?!? I give up on life. Wait...if that's all it takes...couldn't one max out every stat? First do it's strongest, then next and next, etc. etc. 2 maxed stats would take around 30 levels, then 3 around 45, etc. etc. (Maxed as far as the pokemons nature allows) Last edited by Flare Soru; April 15, 2010 at 08:28:11 PM. |
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That can't be done sadly. Only 510 EVs are allowed, and it takes 255 to max out a stat. (although most people put 252 instead because the extra 3 EVs would be pointless) Last edited by Sunny; April 15, 2010 at 10:39:11 PM. |
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I didn't look through all the previous posts, but it's recommended you wait til after you've beaten the story part of the game (usually all gym leaders and the elite four) for any version before you endeavor to EV train or IV breed. It's fine to do it before the story part of the game is over, but you usually lack the resources and it takes away from the adventure.
Also, an AR comes in handy (once again, for after beating the main game) for two reasons: 1) Infinite money is really a must for getting Proteins, Carbos, etc. to speed up the process. It changes EV training from 2-3 hours to maybe an hour tops if used right. 2) TM's can only be used once (and the good ones are hard to get again), so using an AR to get 99 of each helps if you're making a competitive team. It's not cheating exactly since most TM's are retrievable again and there's no real ultimate TM (all of them play to some strength and weakness). I usually put down using it for any other reason that takes away the challenge part of Pokemon. The simple truth is money is frustrating to save up for when you need it for something simple and moves like Earthquake and Stone Edge are just too hard to obtain again. |
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alright, so could someone post a EV training step by step process? Including where to get items in HG (not the drinks, I know those lol)
I just hatched my egg and by some freak accident it has the perfect nature. Now I... Last edited by Flare Soru; April 16, 2010 at 05:41:41 AM. |
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If you meant the vitamins, they can be found in the Goldenrod/Veilstone Department Store. If you meant the Power Items, they can be obtained in the Battle Frontier in Platinum/HG/SS. Quote:
1) Decide what set I want to use on my Pokémon. This includes choosing the appropriate EV spread, ability (when applicable) and moves. Smogon is probably the best site for choosing a set for your Pokémon. 2) Purchase the vitamins that I need in order to maximize my Pokémon stats. Remember: 10 vitamins (the maximum amount that can be given per stat) give 100 EVs to the respective stat that they raise. I know that you need a lot of money, but this speeds up the EV-training process significantly. 3) Use an Experience Share if my Pokémon is not strong enough to battle wild Pokémon (which is the case with most newly-hatched Pokémon). Attach it to the Pokémon that you want to EV train, but don't put it as the first in your party. Instead, send out a level 100 Pokémon (as I prefer), and/or whose EVs have been already maxed out, to battle the wild Pokémon. When this Pokémon defeats the wild one, it will not get any EVs, since its EVs have already been maxed out. However, your Pokémon, which is holding an Experience Share, will get the EVs from the wild Pokémon, and will also gain experience. In this way, your weak Pokémon can evolve to become able to battle wild Pokémon on its own (therefore getting more EVs at a faster pace). 4) Get the Power Item(s) that I need for my Pokémon. Every Power Item gives 4 extra EVs in its respective stat per a battle with any Pokémon. In this way, you can battle very common Pokémon and get a high number of EVs, which saves a lot of time. 5) Keep battling until I get the EVs that I want. (For every step/battle that you take, I cannot stress out how important it is to note down the EVs gained by your Pokémon. In this way, you can keep a full track of the EVs that your Pokémon is getting, which ensures that you reach your goal correctly) Now, time for an example to make things easier: (For the sake of convenience, I'll be using Platinum in my example)
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I hope I helped. Last edited by Shadow; April 16, 2010 at 11:24:09 AM. |
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3. Will the switch out strat work? And if I don't have any lv. 100's or maxed stat ones then will that hinder?
4. Ew, Battle frontier. And wouldn't you want to use these as soon as you hatch it? (If switching out in #3 works) And after you get 508 EV's, any other battles you do won't effect anything? Yes, that helped a lot. Looks like I'm going to have to beat HG before I can do much. and what would you suggest EV wise for my Vaporeon? I want it to be strong in DEF, Sp. DEF, and HP / Sp. ATK is minimal, ATK and SPD can go die in a fire. Moveset is: Acid Armor, Aqua Ring, Surf, Ice Beam. Holding Leftovers. Kinda like an attacking wall... Last edited by Flare Soru; April 16, 2010 at 11:32:55 AM. |
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To be completely honest, I do not have an answer to this question. You should ask another member.
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lol, only part I don't like about this whole thing is Battle Frontier.
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And with that I tackle beating HG so I can actually start making this vaporeon a reality (I've done it tons of times, but never EV trained.) (Right after I do HW. >_< Yay only one more week left........finals week) Last edited by Flare Soru; April 16, 2010 at 11:50:10 AM. |
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Hmm wish might be better then aqua ring, but thats just my opinion.
and i'd say put most of the ev's in sp def and hp since a single acid armor will boost your defense higher then your sp.def even when its fully EV'd. =w= Soooo Calm nature which boost sp.d and lowers atk. 252 hp, 252 sp.def, and 4 sp.atk. Vaporeon needs all the sp.def it can get because of its weakness to grass and electric, which are usually special~! You can invest some into sp.atk as well, but I think vaporeons sp.atk is good enough. =w= Hope that helped. Last edited by Sunny; April 16, 2010 at 12:45:05 PM. |
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If it makes you feel any better, not all of them WERE Level 14. I leveled up some of them so that I could get certain moves. However, there is one Pokemon I have that is still level 14. Just goes to show how useful set level battles are.
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I'm gonna stay with Aqua Ring just because it's what I came up with and what I'm more comfortable with. Now I just gotta beat the game and get through that stupid battle frontier as fast as possible. Gonna get one of each band/bracelet so I don't have to go back. if anyone has a calm eevee, you know who to contact. :3 |
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And regarding the level up system, like Ala and SK said, you will have to grind for levels post-EVs for moves and evolutions, unless you either Egg Moved a set or are keeping the Pokemon as NFEs. |
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Ooops silly me I did not realize that an Acid Armor set was being used. ' I typically use Bold over Calm because Vaporeon needs all the Defense it can get since it is not that great. Although, I typically do not run Acid Armor, SO I GUESS THAT'S JUST ME. Pay no heed to my lack of noticing movesets!
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