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And maybe everyone else just isn't tuned into the elite 4 challenges. But it is kind of true that no one really cares too much about it. |
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Yeah, in RSE, you'd be famous throughout the continent. In Sinnoh, no one gave a crap.
I think that Cynthia had always been the Champion for the story's purpose, although Frontier Brains might have preceded her. In RBGY, Blue became the first ever Champion, which is what I'm assuming due to Lance and Blue's reactions. In GSC, Lance becomes the Champion, but Red is the true Champion, of course. Lance is obviously a placeholder. In RS, Steven was the Champion. In Emerald, Juan takes Wallace's place in his gym, so it could be assumed that Steven was beaten by Wallace and then went to better himself in Meteor Falls, a la Red. He's arguably a much tougher fight than before in RS, and definitely harder to beat than Wallace is as the Emerald Champ. |
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I think the champions are still free to wander around and whatnot, and aren't required to sit tight awaiting challengers at all times. Cynthia, for instance, says that she has a house in some region besides Sinnoh, although it isn't disclosed for security reasons. So I would say that Cynthia was indeed the champion for the entirety of the D/P storyline. Who preceded her is, of course, unknown.
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Keep in mind that I don't think Cynthia came right after Rowan, if we assume that Rowan was about the main character's age (10-15). This means that he would be in his 50s waiting for someone to beat him. -Rowan -1 or 2 champions -Cynthia EDIT: forgot, Rowan gave Cynthia her first Pokémon and Pokédex, meaning he couldn't have been champion and professor at the same time! *shrugs* I sometimes string stories together. Last edited by dragonsprout; December 28, 2009 at 11:20:29 PM. |
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I think there's some kind of distinction between champion as a rank and champion as a position. Since Red became champion in the first generation games, I suspect that he would still be champion on the G/S games, especially considering the level disparity between his and Lance's Pokémon. What I imagine to be the case is that there is always a 'residing' champion who spends time taking on comers at the League along with the Elite Four, as well as filling some sort of administrative capacity. Yet I don't see it in Red's personality to want to sit around and do that. So if Red was offered the position of residing champion at the League, he probably turned it down in favor of continuing his travels. So maybe he has the 'rank' of champion for winning? I don't know, and I don't think the anime has really touched on the subject in any detail.
As for Cynthia's wanderings, I think from Giovanni and Blue's absences in the first and second generations it's evident that official League trainers don't always have to sit tight. |
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Regarding the professors...
Well, every professor has seen their students inducted, haven't they? Oak saw Red being inducted after he kicked Blue's ass, Birch saw Brendan/May winning to Steven/Wallace, etc. As far as I know, Oak and Rowan are probably the only two that were actually Champions. Agatha (or whoever that old hag is) said Oak was a great Trainer before, and Rowan is apparently Oak's superior when it comes to Pokemon, so those two are probably the only two out of the four that have been in the Pokemon League challenge through and through. Cynthia probably didn't beat Rowan to earn Champion status though. She probably fought a Frontier Brain or Lucian. |
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Interestingly, Palmer shares Cynthia's theme in DP. In Platinum he receives the new shiny Frontier Brain theme. |
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Off topic: I wish you could become something after you become Champion. Take Cynthia's position or become a Gym Leader (That would be AWESOME!). |