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What I'm really suprised by is how close Espeon got into OU.
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Finally! I've been anticipating a proper list of OU Pokémon for a long time. Now when exams finish and summer begins, I'll have something to keep me busy.
Aside from what Spirit said, its movepool is incredibly shallow, too. Last edited by Shadow; May 10, 2011 at 09:33:02 AM. |
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Good to see a lot of my favorites on there, Conkeldurr, Reuniclus, Darmanitan. Sableye ranked 41st and Dream World stats, so he should shoot up as soon as he's released. Togekiss and Quagsire just missed the cutoff, but they're still pretty viable. My only concern is how low Meloetta is in DW, but we'll see how things change.
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Hm... That means 12 of my team are in the list. Doesn't give me much variety for Underused to say the least (its been a while due to school, so in truth I'm not even sure if I could make a team of six in the remains).
APR 2011 BW OU USAGE Total Battles: 299644 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + | Rank | Pokemon | Usage | Percent | + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + | 4 | Garchomp | 109670 | 18.3000 | | 14 | Dragonite | 60079 | 10.0251 | | 16 | Gengar | 57689 | 9.6263 | | 21 | Gyarados | 46153 | 7.7013 | | 22 | Hydreigon | 42618 | 7.1114 | 25 | Infernape | 39458 | 6.5841 | | 30 | Chandelure | 31648 | 5.2809 | | 33 | Metagross | 31188 | 5.2042 | | 36 | Haxorus | 29906 | 4.9903 | | 37 | Lucario | 28559 | 4.7655 | | 40 | Magnezone | 27769 | 4.6337 | 52 | Porygon2 | 20833 | 3.4763 | + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + |
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YESZ! Even though there's only 5 Grass Pokemon on the list, THIS IS AWESOME! We're up to 5! So let's see here...
Ferrothorn, Breloom, Whimsicott, Virizion, and Venusaur is OU now...so what happened to Roserade and Celebi? Are they...not OU anymore, or...? |
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Celebi dropped down to the low 69, falling behind Pokemon like Donphan and Kingdra, while Roserade sunk even lower to 103, where it technically makes the cut for the unofficial UU list. Very last one to make that tier, actually, which is a little surprising for a Pokemon that worked so well last gen. Last edited by Alakazamaster; May 10, 2011 at 07:38:29 PM. |
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Damn Kazam with dat godlike insight~!
It seems like if ya wanna use zoroark you have to make a team built around him. He needs a good partner to hide as (I prefer bulky ghost types like dusknoir and confagrigus) and a rapid spinner. I just think it's interesting since hes such a frail pokemon, but when hes under cover as a ghost type he can sponge a few dark type hits that come his way and 2HKO pokemon that would normally 1HKO him. If his presents is revealed to the other team its like a constant mindgame! Like for example. I use the dusknoir, zoroark combo. When they figure out "Oh he hides zoroark as dusknoir" I start to send out dusknoir. They get so psyched out thinking its zoroark that they use a less effective move and let dusknoir set up a bit. I'm not saying he should be OU, but he does have potential imo. C: also.. Hurhurhur |
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Zoroark is a tricky foe. It always surprises me as a lead, and needs a lot of effort to get rid of it. Although it is not an OU, yet it would make it to BL. I am actually surprised to see Scizor in the top list, although I have seen few of it.
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I forgot to mention that I'm particularly happy to see Toxicroak make it to OU. After facing it in the metagame-testing phase several times, it became evident how much Toxicroak gained from this transition. Now I'm excited to try out the new metagame once I configure PO on my laptop.
Yeah, it's a little surprising to see Celebi drop to the lower tiers. But to be honest, its typing is awful and gives it numerous weaknesses, and with the new metagame being quick-paced/offensive, Celebi's flaws became amplified. Last edited by Shadow; May 11, 2011 at 10:20:36 AM. |
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MY BAAAAAAD. But yeah the combo was banned, screwing with the potential of new and old Swift Swimmers alike. Kingdra would be in the top 10 if the combo was still allowed. Thankfully, Rain still has around 80 thousand other uses, so I have been abusing those as much as possible. :> |
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Arcanine is ranked #72, so it's still pretty OU viable.
It's not, The stats are based on usage of things that aren't banned, and Mew just isn't that used, I guess. Wobbuffet is ranked #141, so he'll probably be NU, which is kind of ridiculous Last edited by Sableyed; May 11, 2011 at 06:10:11 PM. |
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Despite Perversity, Serperior still suffers from a pretty limited movepool and relatively mediocre stats. What with the new offensive threats like Excadrill and the likes, it must be very hard to fit Serperior into a team without essentially 'wasting' the slot for better choices.
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I personally tried Cobalion for few days and I found out a lot of weaknesses related to it. Both of its attacking stats are not really great, surfing at the edge of 90. In terms of typing, Lucario has the same type yet with superior stats, better movepool and a +2 priority. Lucario outclasses it in everything. Further more, Terrakion can take the role of a fast, devastating Swords Dancer better than Cobalion. I did expect such an end for Cobalion.
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Some comments on this list:
1. Ferrothorn beats Forretress so easily this gen because it has so many more possibilities. I'm glad to see this is consistent with Smogon (but fire types can rejoice in being much more useful this time around). 2. Garchomp back out of Ubers? Eh, that's a surprise, but it makes a lot more sense this time around with all the dragon counters. 3. Excadrill almost always has to be paired with Ty or Hippo, so expect a lot of fighting type counters. 4. I hate Politoed. 5. I hate Trick Room. 6. Jellicent is the new Tentacruel, and for good reason. I never got why Tenta was considered OU. He's like the easiest Pokemon for me to kill when people have sent him out so I never got his appeal (lack of counters on other teams?). 7. Skarmory is fighting for his position (but really, with all the new electric types, people better use him carefully). 8. Sort of surprised Hydreigon made it so high on the list. I use one myself, but he needs to prove his worth more in my eyes before I can say he deserves that position (also needs Grey to come out quicker for possible "Move Tutor" moves). 9. I hate Blissey. 10. I refuse to train Scrafty despite his usefulness. He is right next to Stunfisk in my eyes as the top derp Pokemon (and I only train ones that I like). 11. Terrakion!!! 12. Lucario!!! 13. Mienshao (if only because he is HJK spammy)!!! 14. ...Virizion? How did that make the list? 15. Where are my favs? Weavile, Blaziken, Porygon-Z, where did you go? That is all. :3 |
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Where do you guys find this recent list at? If using pokemon in 5th gen. over wifi i need to know whos to be used and whos not to be used. (Smogon has a little Ubers list but thats only for if you plan on playing in there tournaments)
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Speed Boostiken is combined with Reversal and Focus Sash.
So you can see how that might be a problem. Last edited by LiteTheIronMan; June 8, 2011 at 07:33:08 AM. Reason: Barring Trick Room, priority moves, slow leads, and faster Pokemon, you won't get the drop on a Speed Boostiken |
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The thing about Speed Boostiken though, is that it's played as a lead. So basically you're counting on not running into like, hazardous weather and/or a non-lead that uses priority moves. A majority of the time you won't, and the rest of the time you'll run into either one or the other and somehow survive.
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Mind sharing some of the common strategies used with Drizzle Politoed? I'm interested to see how people are coping with the ban of Swift Swim + Drizzle.
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well at least it makes the game a little more fun by adding a new tier to the mix. Edit:smogon says garchomp is baned from OU again, i never got the chance to use him yet in B/W. Well anyone i battle after nytz will see garchomp for the time in OU before VR changes the rules for this.
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I hated that toad in Gold and Silver as much as I hated Blissey based solely on lousy stats and design (not so much based on stats for Blissey; she's useful). I refuse to train those that are considered "competitive" if I don't like them. If I have to lose to a Drizzle Team, so be it. Weather seems to be its only real use anyways. Annoying toads. Should have stopped with Slippy from SF64. |
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The fact that Fire-type moves are weakened in the rain and makes it easier for Pokemon like Ferrothorn to thrive, which secures their position as walls on several rain teams. Drizzletoed can be used to easily counter opposing weather teams, as Pokemon like Excadrill, Gliscor, Infernape, and Heatran find it harder to thrive under their respective weathers when it is taken away. The rain benefits a lot of walls on teams like Rotom-W who enjoys boosted Hydro Pumps and the ability to use Thunder freely, Tentacruel can abuse Rain Dish to stay alive for an extended amount of time, Vaporeon can Rest as often as it wants with Hydration, and Bronzong enjoys only having 1/2 of a super-effective weakness. The 100% accuracy of both Hurricane and Thunder make sweepers like Dragonite, Jolteom Thundurus, Tornadus, and Starmie a lot more happy to play in the rain. Dry Skin Toxicroak becomes a more serious threat than last generation because of permanent rain making its durability more guaranteed. Choice Specs Politoed in the rain using Hydro Pump is more than capable of 2HKOing Blissey, as long it hits both times. Yep, rain sure is something. |
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I hate weather in competitive play. I know that sounds so noobish to say, but ever since Gold and Silver, I've been rather resilient towards ever incorporating weather into my teams intentionally. The only thing that ever helped was my Tyranitar starting a Sandstorm for Ryperior and Garchomp...and even then it didn't help that much.
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Mind listing some of these Pokémon? I just made a search on Smogon's Pokédex for all tiers, and there's only one Pokémon from the UU tier which ties with Ferrothorn's 20 base speed stat: Escavalier. On top of that, there are two Pokémon slower than Ferrothorn, Torkoal and Shuckle, but both of them are in the NU tier. So speaking purely from a base speed perspective, it is theoretically impossible to outpace Ferrothorn under Trick Room with a fully-evolved Pokémon.
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In truth, only curse-boosted Pokemon could probably beat Ferrothorn in speed with TR assuming it doesn't have Curse up first (then it's kind of scary to think what would happen). Timing is everything though. If it gets Mach Punched by any Pokemon, slow or fast (I'm looking at you Conkledurr), then it gets ruined real quick (forced to switch to Dusknoir or something else slower than Conkledurr to gain TR benefits). Then again, priority ruins Ferro anytime so it's not like he's not use to having problems with Pokemon like that. Last edited by Justjack91; September 4, 2011 at 01:41:47 PM. |
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Yeah, except for the fact that 94 Speed is not particularly impressive. Then take into account that Ferrothorn's attacking moves leave much to be desired, especially if your opponent has a Steel-type on their team. (Bronzong, Jirachi, Heatran, Skarmory, Forretress, Scizor, Metagross, Magnezone)
Also, since Ferrothorn can't set up its own Trick Room, he has to rely on a very brief period to attack, where he can take down two maybe three enemies, if the opponent has no idea what to do. After that time is up, Ferrothron's horrible Fire weakness can be abuses, since everyone should have a Fire-type move these days. Just my take on it. |
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In terms of Ferrothorn, there are two major sets that can be used; a Choice Band set and a Curse set. In both the sets, the three major moves that would be used are Gyro Ball, Power Whip and Explosion as a last resort. Skarmory and Bronzong resist all of these moves, and in terms of Skarmory, which is an OU by the way, it can Roost any damage. In fact, any bulky Steel type, like Escavalier, like example, is able to resist Ferrothorn. Moreover, Torkoal, which is indeed NU, is actually used in Trick Room and one Overheat from it will OHKO Ferrothorn. The fact that after entry hazard's damage, many Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave are able to KO Ferrothorn too. I am not saying it is not strong in Trick Room, but it is also not the most unstoppable one; there are still counters to it. |
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I have already faced a Cursed Ferrothorn under Trick Room. It is indeed strong, but can still be countered, especially Skarmory, which learns Taunt and can PP stall Ferrothorn quite well. It leaves it no choice but to switch out.
What Kaz mentioned is also an important idea; Ferrothorn won't gain more than 3 or 4 turns to sweep, which gives an average of 2 KO the most, and usually less than that if countered well. After that, it will be in danger of fire and fight moves, but then again, that's a problem that every Trick Room sweeper faces. Nevertheless, there are other Steel types that can be a better option than Ferrrothorn when it comes to be a Trick Room sweeper. |