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February 2, 2010, 07:49:20 PM
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Generation Five's Legends: Better than God
"How is Game Freak going to top God?"
By making Gods of Gods. What types of legendary monsters would you like to hunt, capture, train, and bond with in the fifth generation of Pokemon games? I've made my disposition quite clear. Vaccuum physics, gravity, and annihilation legendary Pokemon would be awesome to behold. What do you want? |
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February 2, 2010, 07:51:06 PM
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February 2, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
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If they actually go about making a 'god of the multiverse' or some other self-topping thing like that, then I think a shark will have been jumped. I completely agree about having PokéGods of more narrowly defined things like illusion, maybe the stars, and some other things. But if they keep trying to top themselves with relative strength of Pokémon, it's going to turn into DBZ.
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February 2, 2010, 08:45:59 PM
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I still stand by having legend of life and death. :V
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February 3, 2010, 12:14:46 AM
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 Yoshi. "WE GO FOR GOD!"I always thought there couldn't be a fifth gen thanks to Arceus (or Mew, if you wanna look at it that way (Arceus >>>> Mew :3)). If I recall correctly, they didn't really refer to Arceus as "god," even though we all know they pretty much did. What if they don't mean to top god in the fifth gen? I mean, I'm really hoping they make some unique-not-unique legendaries. Ever see a bug-legendary that isn't Arceus? I want one of those. Last edited by Buizel456; May 14, 2010 at 07:00:37 PM. Reason: Censored "lol" |
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February 3, 2010, 03:00:20 AM
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It's beileved that the legendary in the next movie is the Master of Illusion.
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February 3, 2010, 03:48:03 AM
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We need a rock legendary other than Regirock. I like to see a legendary wolf and snake.
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February 3, 2010, 06:18:18 AM
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Who says we have to have Gods of Gods? We could have more minor legendaries. For example, Celebi isn't the god of anything, it just time travels and makes forests grow. We could just have legendaries with great powers, but don't rule over one specific theme (time, space, nightmares, what-have-you.)
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February 3, 2010, 06:25:15 AM
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February 3, 2010, 08:56:50 AM
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I'd like to see more diversified typings of legendaries like Fight, Poison, and Bug. I'd also like to see new dual typings that haven't been made yet; something like Water/Ghost maybe?
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February 3, 2010, 02:03:01 PM
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How can they make a legendary pokemon more powerful than the god pokemon itself? 5th gen has to be the hardest to pull off and hopefully the last because isnt 493 enough? Sure pokemon shouldn't die but, what ideas will they have? A hamburger pokemon? Next thing you know they start with ice cream or Mario or even human beings.
 I'm think a pokemon more powerful then god has to be a pokemon of all universes'. A pokemon that is the all of all and not an over sized cookie.
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February 3, 2010, 11:11:17 PM
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It might come off a little weird when I say this, but perhaps a Pokemon that is...a double-type? Double the STAB, 4x/8x super effective attacks, and 8x the damage taken from superior types? I DEFINITELY want a fire pokemon like that. Quote:
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February 4, 2010, 10:09:31 AM
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They can simply create more legendaries that are weaker than Arceus, but are still strong. I have noticed a lot of people saying that it doesn't make sense to create a legendary Pokémon in the 5th generation that is weaker than Arceus (in other forums). I fail to see what's so 'hard' or 'weird' to do that; it perfectly makes sense for me. Here's something to think about: When Mew (and possibly Mewtwo) was first introduced to us, we used to think that it was the ancestor of all Pokémon (and indirectly, the 'god' of Pokémon, somewhat). I, or rather we, found it very normal to have weaker legendaries released in the later generation - the 2nd generation, back then. Therefore, I don't see why people are making a big fuss about Arceus' existence, and the need of toppling it by releasing a more 'omnipotent' legendary. I mean, I am not able to identify any progressive link between the legendaries of the older generations and the legendaries of the newer generations. The creation of a new region can be interpreted practically as discovering a new land inhabited by new species of Pokémon. These new species include legendaries that are unique and not known nor seen to man before. Arceus remains the god, and the equation remains the same in this case. I hope I clarified myself as much as possible. Last edited by Shadow; February 4, 2010 at 10:18:31 AM. |
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February 4, 2010, 11:00:28 AM
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But i think nintendo went a little TOO far with all the gods of stuff in the 4th gen. Nintendo: "Let's pull out all the stops! God of time and space! God of human emotions! God of Gods!" Worker of Nintendo: "what about the 5th generation?" Nintendo: "What 5th generation?" Last edited by Quadcentruo; February 5, 2010 at 06:41:33 PM. |
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February 4, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
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How about Jesus? I know its wrong but it might work
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February 4, 2010, 03:07:54 PM
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To clarify some points of my own:
My "Gods of Gods statement is something of a reference to Marvel, where even heaven, hell, and related powers are dwarfed by superheroes and supervillians. I was using it as a phrase that meant that God won't be the stopping point for Pokemon. As for "better than Arceus", that simply referred to the people who said, "How can you top God?" It's just an example I used. In the next generation, I highly doubt that a legend will be created to top Arceus. But it is still a possibility I'd like to entertain. There you go, hopefully my statements seem a bit clearer. -posted using the DSi Browser- |
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February 4, 2010, 08:24:54 PM
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A dark legendary.
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February 5, 2010, 12:23:14 AM
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I want a water+fire type legendary, specifically, usable of course, and with ok moves, but not too cheap.
Besides that, I'd like to see a ground,water,bug, and especially flying type legendary, I know some are already legends, but we need them combined in with another type. The only thing that I don't want to see in legendarys is psychic type. We have enough of those. |
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February 5, 2010, 03:44:59 AM
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Nothing will top Arceus, but seeing a Cockroach frightening out Cresselia and other grass and psychic legendary Pokemon would be awesome. Seriously, BUG is needed.
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February 5, 2010, 05:25:55 PM
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Screw the Gods, lol. I seriously think Arceus was release waaaaay too early.
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February 11, 2010, 08:42:24 AM
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2) Is 493 enough? Isn't 151 enough? No, i'm sure Gamefreak will surpass our thoughts as to how many Pokemon there can be. Will there be similarities as time passes(see Rattata -> Bidoof)? Yes, there very much will be. But i'm sure that there'll still be room to fit on our Pokedexes...until maybe 10th Gen...That'll be pushing it.  3 "even human beings" May I introduce you to Jynx, the Human-Shape Pokemon? |
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February 11, 2010, 11:49:59 AM
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February 11, 2010, 12:43:40 PM
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February 12, 2010, 02:06:03 PM
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How about a pokemon that has no weakness, (no type) but has super effective moves over every type? That tops arceus by 9000.
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February 12, 2010, 03:40:27 PM
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February 12, 2010, 05:18:53 PM
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...still a mere fraction compared to the billions of species that populate our world. |
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February 12, 2010, 05:46:17 PM
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More mashmellow power! Sorry, they already have a so called Zuora and Zozorark in 5th gen so they're just fine but, if 5th gen would be the last one that would be fine by me. They would be making to many spin-offs. But,... someday... they... will get to become so greedy that they...make...(gulp)... A TERRIBLE POKEMON GAME AND BIGGEST FAILURE EVER CREATED AND EVEN WORSE THAN POKEMON RANCH AND THE BIGGEST INSULT TO POKEMON FANS. SO BAD THAT WE WILL NEVER PLAY A SINGLE POKEMON GAME AFTER THAT AND WILL THROW ALL THAT POKEMON MERCHINDISE OUT THE STREET AND LET ALL THOSE DREAMS KILLED BY A CAR/TRUCK/TRAIN TO END IT!!!...(sigh)...and then you'll pretty much forget pokemon after that and never play or hear it ever again.  And to end it call the air force to kill anybody with a pokemon game. Sorry, I just lost it. Now then, yes the 5th gen game should be awesome.
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February 12, 2010, 10:26:12 PM
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If they start Make POKEMON as GOD... I not want to play the rest new pokemon game anymore... ._.
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February 13, 2010, 06:29:40 AM
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February 14, 2010, 09:59:25 AM
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Super effective moves over every type = shadow pokemon I know for a fact that a shadow Sableye or Spiritomb does not top Arceus. and no type? WTC are you trying to pull with that?!? |
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February 14, 2010, 10:18:06 AM
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February 16, 2010, 11:56:48 AM
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I think legendaries reached their peak at the 4th generation, and now they should go back to something more mundane, like legendaries representing north and south or east and west.
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February 16, 2010, 01:36:59 PM
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February 16, 2010, 03:01:52 PM
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...heh...???-type Arceus. (If anyone knows what I meant by ???-type Arceus... You win a cookie. If anyone doesn't know, I don't expect you to, just know that it exists.) |
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February 17, 2010, 05:19:56 AM
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Anyway, I agree with ???? typed legendary. In fact, it is a very nice idea. |
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February 17, 2010, 08:48:05 AM
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April 4, 2010, 08:33:57 PM
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hmmm... speaking of a ??? type pokemon, Zoroark is a master of illusion and transform into a lot of different pokemon for all we know Zoroark could actually be a ??? type pokemon!
that would be awesome. |
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April 5, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
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Whoah... What's with the bump?
And we should have a ???-type Pokémon already. *Glares at Unown* And what would be it's weakness? !!! type? Last edited by Ningamer; April 5, 2010 at 04:34:14 AM. |
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April 5, 2010, 05:18:19 AM
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How about a water+fire+electric Pokemon!
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April 5, 2010, 05:24:31 AM
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April 9, 2010, 04:33:16 PM
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I like the idea of Life/Death
I want a like, REALLY REALLY hardcore psychic/death type or something LOL That has a story behind it.. like it was actually KILLED a long time ago because it was so evil, and then brought back accidentally by magic or something. high SP ATK & ATK YES PLEASE >< And then the opposite.. something that was created to fight it, like a GOOD(light) machine or something.. Really high SP DEF & DEFPLEASE <3 |
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April 9, 2010, 07:19:19 PM
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I want a messiah.
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April 9, 2010, 07:57:58 PM
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April 9, 2010, 09:49:42 PM
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With the revelation of the game names, we probably have a better idea of what the legendaries could represent. Probably something obviously correlated with shadows and light. Night and Day?
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April 9, 2010, 11:41:59 PM
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I hope it isn't something lame like friendship and love or something.
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April 10, 2010, 07:57:04 AM
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April 10, 2010, 08:04:16 AM
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But seriously, since I never had any experience with Shadow Pokémon before, I was surprised as to how powerful they are when I was reading your post. |
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April 10, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
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April 10, 2010, 08:32:49 PM
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Yeah, Shadow Pokemon were pretty overpowered in Pokemon XD. In Colosseum, they only had one more, Shadow Rush, which made them boring to use. They had resistance to every regular attack, and super-effective hits on any regular Pokemon, with limitless PP. But the thing that made them for fun to use in Pokemon XD was that there were various new moves added. There was a move called Shadow Sky which had a "Hail" effect on all non-Shadow Pokemon, Shadow variants of Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt for Shadow Moltres, Articuno, and Zapdos, and a Shadow variant of Lugia`s AeroBlast to name a few. I imagine they gave the shadow Pokemon so much resistance to motivate players to use shadow Pokemon of their own against them, since doing so was the only (good) way to purify them. I personally would enjoy seeing another installment in the shadow Pokemon series, they worked well as RPGs, and with new Pokemon like Giratina, Lucario, and Darkrai, they could be expanded on a fair bit. |
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April 11, 2010, 01:12:30 PM
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April 25, 2010, 12:16:21 AM
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Maybe they will not make God Pokémon and the new region's people will still worship Arceus.
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April 27, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
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There are still a lot of different cultures and myths that Nintendo can pull from. To me it just seems like most pokemon are based of far eastern cultures... Ninetails, Arcanine, etc. I really wanna see some serious creativity though. There is so much potential for awesomeness! I really wanna see some Russian elements and perhaps even Celtic, and Nordic influences!
I really wanna see some feathers though... and new fossils... i thought they were kinda lackluster in Pearl, and Diamond. Feather Fossil Spine Fossil Fang Fossil Tusk Fossil Razor Fossil the list goes on... |
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May 6, 2010, 05:28:59 PM
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I don't think they really have to "top god", they can just keep on making normal legendaries... I like the life/death legendaries idea.
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May 6, 2010, 06:43:57 PM
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Perhaps this is jsut my own warped fanon, but my impression is that Arceus is creation, which is life in a nutshell. Giratina is destruction, AKA death.
I'd love to seem some legends with types that have never been done before. I actually created my own Fakemon Fighting type Great One, in fact. There is potential for any number of lesser Great Ones to be created. |
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May 6, 2010, 06:47:09 PM
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May 6, 2010, 07:12:01 PM
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Though I would be very interested in seeing, in particular, something in the style of Greek architecture or Roman calvary/fighting. |
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May 7, 2010, 11:19:56 AM
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Maybe not "God" Legendary, but maybe day and night. Darkrai already has night time it seems like. So... who will be day time? |
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May 7, 2010, 11:34:20 AM
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There should be a legendary for each type.
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May 7, 2010, 02:18:26 PM
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I think that a bug type Great One would be a good addition to the ranks. Something based off of a butterfly or something.
And, normally I don't say anything about things like this, but sicne she is my favorite Pokemon (please bear with me) I am forced to point out that the Lunar Goddess's name is spelled C R E S S E L I A |
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May 9, 2010, 05:47:33 PM
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You know what they need?
First of all, a bug type legendary. We have never had one. and second, a Omega Pokemon. since we've got alpha, and Giratina isn't the Omega, we need a Omega. And a 666 pokemon on the pokedex list. XD |
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May 10, 2010, 07:47:21 PM
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May 11, 2010, 11:36:32 AM
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Arceus is all types! Including Pure-Flying! With the right plate at least. Last edited by Quadcentruo; May 11, 2010 at 11:36:48 AM. |
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May 11, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
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May 11, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
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Or it counts, just not to you LoPun. ;P
But I seriously don't believe that the Fifth generations legendary Pokemon have to be better than God. Even though Arceus is supposed to be the God of all Pokemon. So Generation V of legendary Pokemon will certainly be interesting to see. As long as they aren't completely uncreative and aren't lame, I don't have a problem with whatever types they may be. |
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May 11, 2010, 01:04:48 PM
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They can be. And they will. but what the heck are they gonna come up with? DX They've done everything. Time, Space, Renegade, Alpha, Ocean, Sky, Beasts, Earth (the regis) they've done everything.DX |
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May 11, 2010, 07:40:06 PM
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How about a legend that eats planets for breakfast or a legend that creates planets I just randomly came up with that idea right now
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Just wait and see, there are going to be reasonable Legendary Pokemon. Doubt it will be totally random though. I'd hate for them to pull different things out of the air and use them. That would just be sad and mark the first tally towards the end of Pokemon as a whole. |
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-Destruction -Light -Sun (Cresselia would be moon) -Fish (if that makes sense...) Those are a few. And Earth would be more like Groudon and not the Regi's. (Steel+Ice+Rock does not = Earth) |
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I would like to see a fire-water type legendary. Just a new type combination that has not been explored yet.
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However, because of Staraptor being a flying type and learning a fighting type move naturally, that may be a hint that the fifth generation will have a fighting/flying type Pokemon... but who knows?
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Ok a little off topic here, but a few suggestions to Pokemon creators. Pokemon will end sooner or later. Its inevitable. But it the time its here I would LOVE to see new types and a Badger Pokemon. Oh and a Dolphin perhaps? And I think that arceus was released too early. My legendary suggestion? A Rock and Lighting type. Sounds obserd but hey, what about the movie arceus that was released? Also maybe a Fire-Rock Legend. Or Fighting-Dark! But the rock legends would have special moves as the Fighting-Dark would have the slight advantage. Perhaps Lighting Rain for one, and Asteroid Fall for the other? I would love this! Listen to me geniuses of the Pokemon world! People want a good rock type Legend!
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A HUGE BEETLE/SATURNID!!!
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They should have some really evil fighting type, or a cow legend. That would be cool!
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Actually, now that I think about it if all else fails they'll probably just make redundant types. Think about it: You can nitpick the exact details of what Moltres and Entei command, but from a broader spectrum they're both basically the element of fire.
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 (Buut, I kinda think Game Freak's running out of Ideas, I mean, if you search up "Fakemon" on dA, (DeviantART) you get so many idea's that actually are really good.) Last edited by Buizel456; May 16, 2010 at 06:15:32 PM. |
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Keep in mind that over 500 Pokemon were made for RBGY, and obviously a good amount of them were scrapped to pave way for 151. They keep making mounds upon mounds of Pokemon for each new gen, and in the end 100-200 of them make it.
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Late to the topic and most likely already said, but I find the theme in Pokémon Black and White to be hinting at the idea of an almost ying-yang scenario, which isn't far fetched considering the region this game hails from. Therfore Gamefreak is stepping away from the 'hierarchy' of legendaries, and focusing more into the depth of balance.
Personally, I think they have already introduced the legendary (Zoroark), or whatever pokémon Black version focuses on. Now most people now would say 'but it evolves'. However, my interpretation is that evolution doesn't mean it cannot be a legendary. Originally, we thought legendaries could not breed, but we have seen otherwise with Rotom and Manaphy (though Phione isn't Manaphy, it's still offspring). |
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May 19, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
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Making a Pokemon stronger than Arceus would be ridiculous. Arceus is so over-powered it's not even funny. He has a base state of 720 while the Pokemon underneath him has 680. That's a pretty big gap. They should fill the gap and just keep Arceus as is.
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#94
May 19, 2010, 01:17:31 PM
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Celebi is a better choice than Regigigas despite the fact Regigigas has a higher base stat total. |
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#95
May 19, 2010, 01:24:39 PM
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Arceus is every type and has some of the cheapest moves to date. Making a Pokemon stronger then that would just be stupid. |
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#96
May 23, 2010, 02:56:03 AM
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Adding another 720 base stat would be weird, and on par with God it would also feel really awkward. Best they don't and just add more 680s. I'm personally hoping for more classical physicals like rock, fighting, poison and bug. We don't have any bugs in legends. Maybe among the event pokemon at least?
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#97
May 23, 2010, 03:25:20 AM
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Remember the days of Mewtwo?
Did other Legendaries top him? No. So why need to top Arceus? There is no point in topping God. I just want to see sexy 5th Generation Legendaries. |
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#98
May 23, 2010, 10:40:53 AM
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Or, we could be seeing the rise of a Pokemon 'triforce' per-se. Arceus created the worlds, Mew 'created' the Pokemon, and maybe the next gen we will see the emergence of something that has 'created' the willpower or something like that. I kid, I kid, or do I... ... ...
Whatever, I'm out. -Pichu |
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#99
May 23, 2010, 11:24:19 AM
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Created the willpower?
*looks at Mespirit* |
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May 23, 2010, 11:31:03 AM
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