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The idea of having to go where other people tell you to seems lulzy.
When I die, there's no kitty-ing way I'm going to the Christian hell or heaven. Or the Islamic or Jewish versions. If I'm a bad person, I'm being sent back here. If I'm good, I get to flutter away into the Ethereal Becoming and begin to live out all of my spiritual fantasies. A neverending dream. It is within my own personal belief that whatever one believes, begets the fate they belong to. If a Christian is good, they go to good little Christian heaven. If not, bad little Christian hell. If you're Agnostic, nothing happens. So on, so forth. |
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And also, like the example you've given me. I believe that God should be fair, of course. But seriously. Eternal life in a place like Hell? That's not fair. I mean, no matter what they did, they don't deserve eternal pain and suffering. That's just evil... Possibly more evil than they are. I mean, the murderer should definitely be pushed more than a tiny smack on the wrist, but wow. I always tried to take him as a father, but all the things I learned over the years, I couldn't always view him as a father but as someone who wants to push us around and punish us for the things that we didn't want to do. I mean, some people have a murderous instinct inside them. Some people are just born like that. I mean, it's both their fault and their natural instinct. I mean, why would God punish us for living these instincts out when he won't even show himself before us? I don't understand God at all. My parents never really helped with that while I was growing up either. |
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I want to remind you that in all kinds of Abrahamic religions, people have been warned that there is Hell. In other words, we were all foretold about this, so there is no excuse. Not only that, but don't forget that there is something else other than Hell. There is Heavens. Why do we have to criticize Hell when there is Heavens. Seriously, if people were that right, they should have aimed to be in eternal joy rather than shouting at God because of eternal pain. As a conclusion, with Heavens to aim for, and with the warning before hand about Hell, eternal pain is fair, in my opinion. |
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What about all the native Americans that lived and died before Europeans ever came to proselytize to them? What about Chinese people in the time before Christianity became popular enough in the west for them to hear about it? What about all the pagans that lived in Europe before the rise of Christianity? And besides that, people are warned in a very contradictory manner - Is Islam the one true path to being saved? Does only Christianity work? What about Judaism? Or are they all acceptable? And what about the NON-Abrahamic religions? If god is both powerful and good, why are there so many Taoists, Buddhists, and Hindus that he has let stray? Is not the only reason that they are not Christian that they were not warned in the proper fashion? And what about the time before Judaism developed, the time before the tribes of Israel came about? The vast, VAST majority of people throughout time were not warned - Not even in the ineffective manner that god supposedly warns today. Are all those tens - Even hundreds - of billions of people truly now serving their 'Just reward' eternally burning in hell? |
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Regarding the part of different religions, then here is the confusion. There is no doubt that every religion tries to prove that it is the best, whether it is Abrahamic or non. Going into too many details about the existence of these religions can cause a great offence, so I don't really go into such conversation, not here nor in the real world. In fact, I have created my own belief that I follow: I have read about other religions and I chose the religion I want. I was born following a religion, but I did doubt my religion and asked a lot of people until I was satisfied. Apart from that, I also added to my belief that if a person, no matter who he is, is good enough and is suitable to be in heavens, then he will be in heavens. That's the way I think. Of course, to think of what I believe, you should also believe that the god who will be judging is going to be the uttermost fair. |
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Considering the direction of the thread, I'd like to chime in.
Let's say we all die.... Well, we all will eventually, but yeah. :l In most Pagan eyes, those who bow to their respective gods will find themselves before him. Christians before Christ. Catholics before the Holy Trinity, so on. We believe if you abide by the laws and words of your religion true, whatever they may be, whatever good comes of it by your religion will be gifted to you. The reason I say this, is because not all of the spectral universe was manifested by a single being. It is a conglomeration of great minds and powers. There cannot possibly be a single entity ruling over all; although there would be a great deal of liars and fakes attempting to turn a body of religious cleansing into a means of profit, a single being would snipe them from the heavens, I'm sure. Every religion, spiritual faction, and historical period in time have one thing in common. Each has it's own way of telling the beginning of Earth, the Men than inhabit Earth, and the demise of both, should the Men become unruly. The Old Religion is somewhat fuzzy on the Apocalypse, since we're not exactly fixated on our end and look more to the silver lining below the black clouds. Witches and Pagans in general will not see a fiery end and torment lasting eternity in a lake of fire, considering we do not give heed to such practices. But Christians who experiment with the Craft or alternative spiritual enlightenment will find themselves in said fiery lake. This is our way of looking at it. We don't say "OH SINCE YOU'RE NOT A BELIEVER/BOW TO GAEA, YOU'RE GOING TO BE REINCARNATED AS A WORM", considering the "lesser" party isn't not Pagan. Why should my religion affect someone else of a different religion? Life is kinda like Ford. If we all get to be individual by driving the exact same car, what is the point of expression and individualism? Most people need guidance in life, some just need moral support. Others like to define their own fate, and others like to be lead to fate. We are individuals. We are Human [Or most of humanity is]. If we all fall under one banner, we lose our humanity. |
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Sorry can someone clear something up for me? Is this topic about discussing ones chosen religion or about discussing belief systems as a whole? I am an atheist and use science as a reasoning for my interpretation of life but would not post within a thread about religion if I have nothing to contribute.
I do however have a question for members who follow a religion, and I'm purely asking this out of curiosity to educate myself and not to make a point but if you follow a religion and believe a divine being made the world, to what extent do you follow science? I have noticed that people who follow a religion only disagree with the big bang theory and a few other topics but mainly accept most aspects of science. How far do you accept some science is fact or do you disagree with all science. I know this might be a little hard to understand, I'm not entirely sure I asked it without being biased towards science. I've just realised that you all probably accept gravity as fact and will be quick to use it if someone asks you but then the one theory that challenges your religion becomes instantly invalid? I only ask out of curiosity, this is my first post in the serious section and I feel I've thrown myself in the deep end but hopefully I've contributed in some form. EDIT: Also I would like to point out that in England it's very uncommon to know anyone who attends church or is devoted to a religion. I find it interesting that still a large percentage of Americans attend church, and yet the large amount in England has decreased so heavily. I find this interesting as England and America are much a like. Last edited by Falco; March 2, 2011 at 01:46:58 AM. |
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I'm a Technopagan, or specifically, a Technowitch. I use and involve Technology in my life and rituals. Technology and science are integral in daily life. In fact, my lifelong hero has always been Nikola Tesla, the father of modern technology and sciences. :l I'd die without tech and my magic. |
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There is a lot to say about my reasoning here, but I'm going to keep it short. I am a skeptic/atheist. I believe in only the physical laws and nothing supernatural. I do not believe in a life force nor the continuation of the consciousness after death.
I was raised an orthodox christian but as I grew up I became more and more convinced that the fact that not everything can be proven and sometimes you have to believe without proof is nothing more than self-delusion. No, you cannot measure God. But you can measure the effects and veracity of religious dogma. I haven't found a single sacred dogma, phenomenon, or person or whatever to date, that can prove even a single supernatural claim without a shadow of doubt. And the more I looked, the more ridiculous it became. Everything I've sought was riddled with logical fallacies, pseudoscience, and requirement to believe more and more outrageous claims(conspiracies hiding proof etc) to explain lack of evidence, the point where logic is turned upside-down so much that anything becomes believable. Had this method of reasoning been effective at... anything, had it had any value, had it ever created anything useful or real for mankind, I would have stuck by. But it hasn't, and so I've abandoned my old beliefs. I don't need a reason to exist, I don't find morality in following a set of beliefs just because the "big boss" said so[insert deity here], nor do I need a daddy to ensure me that everything is gonna be alright after death. Life and death on earth has never been fair, we continue to kill to survive(plants or animals) just like we have for hundreds of millions of years, I see no reason to have to reinvent reality for the sake of personalized, sweet-sounding beliefs. Last edited by Searinox; July 30, 2011 at 04:32:43 AM. |
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-Richard Dawkins, The Greatest Show on Earth Now, it's possible that the clergy are only using this as a tool to gain more members to the church by leveling with the scientific folk, but the fact remains that they agree with the theory. (and that, everyone, is how you make a REAL debate post) |
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I, personally, don't follow any religion. I think that religious lessons and texts are moral guidelines, and nothing more. if we get caught up interpreting them literally, we're doing nothing but hurting ourselves. Religion tells us how to better ourselves, not how to command others to live.
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The thing about religious scriptures is that they're like the US Constitution. They're so flexible and can be translated in many different ways depending on the reader's interpretation. And although some people take the Bible one way, others read it another. There's no real concrete way of understanding these sorts of things.
Also, in spite of my outward brutish and womanizing appearance, I'm quite feminist and I'm repulsed by religions and cultures that degrade women and strip them of their rights. (Hi, Islam [and to a certain extent most Abrahamic monotheistic religions<but mostly Islam{QUATERNARY BRACKETS}>]) Finally, I don't think a benevolent all-powerful God would give his creations free will. If I was a God (and, I'm sure, at heart, a good majority of humans in general) I wouldn't let them think freely, lest they overthrow me. Then again, if God's all-powerful and one tries to defy him, he'd be liable to kick the guy's ass, right? Basically there's no real sign that a deity exists. Oh and if we're all created in his image he must either A. look really ****ed up or B. screwed us out of omnipotence. |
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I'm atheist. I believe that there is no higher power. Also, it does not mean I hate all other religions, in fact quite the opposite. I came to this decision in my teen years, and I believe that my mind was just not made for the thought of a higher power, as I tend to think more rationally with logic and reason.
my personal opinion is that religion was based as a means to an end. ( "Meaning of Life") The less people have to question the easier life is, but there are a lot of people (such as myself) who enjoy questioning just about everything. One last point: I know this is a touchy subject with a lot of people, and I apologize if I come across as brash. It's just my opinion and I can sometimes come across as a jerk. My intentions are not to harass, but to inform. |
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No offense but the OP was horrible. Your reasons for being Baptist are backed up by nothing except your faith. Why yes they are good reasons in your book, but most people who aren't Christian wouldn't understand why you believe in God. There is no concrete evidence that the Bible exists. The only reason I can fathom that you would believe in God is if you were born into a family that was religious, or if you decided to become religious on your own.
This is exactly why I hate debates like this because the non-religious people are always going to win. There is no friggin' concrete evidence that someone should believe in God. Debates about Religion never end well anyway. They usually are closed/deleted within 15 pages of "You should believe in God!/No I shouldn't" and the like. I expect this to end in the same way. I am a very religious Christian-Catholic, and this is just my opinion on the matter. |
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There is a bible right next to me. I'm pretty sure that means it exists.
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Well, its interesting, she has an unbelievable point that I have come to... loathe, for lack of less Star Wars-soundy word, over time. Simply put: the number of Christians who believe in the Holy Trinity (and the finer details of the Bible) for reasons other than the family they were born into is shrinking, and at quite the pace. Moreover, I would have the hardest time trying to find a person who neither clings to religion (for fear of death, etc.) nor believes in it because they find truth in it.
The end result is the practise of Christianity seems to no longer exist for reasons I myself would consider (for whatever reason) to be pure, except for a few rare individuals (I mean, at least compared to the greater norm). [Full Disclosure: Whatever interest I have in religion is bourne out of sociology. I am myself areligious - I have little interest today in the debate, practise, or even concept of religion, at least on a personal level.] |
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though I heard elsewhere the sun had 50 billion years left... it was an outdated book though. |
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My reaction... Nothing is truly credible unless you believe in it. And that depends on whatever person. Religion? Be more specific. Like Hindu religion or Buddhist religion? |
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No, it doesn't. Nothing guarantees anything, but that's a moot point. The Earth could certainly get blown up by a comet next month, but it's unlikely enough - And unpreventable enough - That there's no point in arguing semantics based off of that. The BEST (And in fact only) way to estimate things that we have is based off of past events, and We've made it a few Billion years as a planet, and a few tens of millions without a major extinction event. Not much compared to 5-ish billion before the sun expands and fries us all, but still several orders of magnitude larger than the piddly 2000 that Christianity offers up in history. |
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@Jaredxvcz: I was just teasing... Take a chill pill. It's a debate. What did you think you were getting into? Just because I have different opinions than yours, and I didn't happen to understand what you meant does not make me an "idiotic person" or an "arrogant jerk". I have yet to call you any degrading names, yet I'm the troll? Oh yes being called an idiotic person and an arrogant jerk is trolling, no?
Just chill. If you can't take any constructive criticism, you should stay clear of the debate section. It's for debates not pointing out trolls or whatever. If you really want to call me a troll, you could just VM/PM about it and I could say sorry or whatever. You don't need to spam up a thread to say, "Obvious troll is obvious!" Calm the heck down and PM what you want to say so we can resolve this issue if you want. Quote:
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Atheism isn't just about disagreeing with Christianity (or any other religion I might add), it's about accepting that maybe we just exist. The reason Christianity gets hit so hard by atheists is because most people don't know how to keep their religion discussions peaceful. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I am going to Hell, a few times by my own mother even (not that I don't get along with her). I am more than willing to discuss it with someone, but once things get heated, I'm outta there. Also, I screwed up the quote somehow. Last edited by Kaveman; August 16, 2011 at 11:45:19 AM. |
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@Starshell: Well your post certainly made me contradict my earlier opinion. Do we have any proof that they were all Atheists? Do we have any proof they were all Christians? Nope. There were probably many different kinds of religions before record, just like now. History does indeed repeat itself. ^^ |
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I don't think, I know. My father's Muslim. And all his pals are Muslim.
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Although you, Elaine, are right about the fact that proving the existence of God is hard due to the lack of materialized evidences, yet you are summarizing the whole debate as 'Science vs. Christianity'.
First of all, I believe that no matter what your religion is, if you have faith, then you believe in God. With all my respect and love to Christianity, you do not need to cancel out the importance of other religions and narrow the whole existence of faith to Christianity only. In fact, if we believe that there were religions sent before Christianity and that all Abrahamic religions and ones that were sent by God complete each other, then we can agree that religion was able to cover that 5.5 billion years of history that it is assumed not to be covered by religion. As for Atheism, it definitely existed since the ancient times, otherwise why would God be sending religions in the first place. |
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I wonder how much you were able to understand the Qu'ran though, since it is even hard for an Arab to understand it well as it uses ancient Arabic. Plus, you are still not elaborating on how it is sexist. Explain your point of view further.
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If anything, the requirement for women to cover their bodies is a way to protect them from strangers; instead of attracting men on the street, which may lead to illegal sex or rape, the woman's beauty is considered a privilege for her spouse as well as for her close relations (such as her brothers, parents, uncles and parents-in-law; in other words, people who she can't marry). I honestly don't see any issue with that.
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Well, there are extremists of all religions, really. As for the political text, I'm not quite sure if you mean politics, but I have to agree that religion has no place there. Especially in a country as diversified as ours.
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I want to point out though that women before found wearing short cloths a shame. Even now, old women in U.S.A and Europe find it a shame to wear short clothes or any that would show a lot of her body. I think your opinion is not only against once certain religion, but it against how the old used to think and many people still think the same way. However, you can't deny that by women wearing more covering clothes, raping accidents were less common. EDIT: As for what you said Elaine, I strongly disagree with you. Humans make mistakes, and if it is humans that created all religions, then these religions can have mistakes which leads to the belief that religious people are following wrong paths, thus weakening your own religions. Of course, with all those religions, there would be certain ones that were created by humans and so flaws can be pointed out. However, there are definitely religions out of the list that were properly taught to humans by God, giving these religions a more stable core. Regarding the last part of your post, what I usually think of is that despite God being too strong, yet he is also too generous and kind to allow us to create our own destinies. Last edited by The Spirit of Time; August 16, 2011 at 12:48:42 PM. |
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Most statistics say that young women nowadays are more likely to die before their male counterparts with the pressure of trying to be beautiful, raising children, and working. It's hard for young girls to fit in these days. I'm not saying guys don't have it bad, but I'm obviously biased on this subject. Last edited by Elaine; August 16, 2011 at 01:00:07 PM. |
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Where is it proven that an attractive women has to flash her breasts to attract? The modestly dressed woman can't be more beautiful or attractive? Furthermore, can't the modestly dressed woman be more liable to have a sexual crime committed against her? Or just as likely? There's no REAL statistic or proof. It's just the assumption one has in a sexually driven society. |
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Of course they are both wrong. I am not saying that it is alright for men to do so, but I am arguing the not wearing flashy things can be a good way to make accidents less possible. No Lite, it is not about being beautiful or not, it is about what would drive a mad man to rape a girl.
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But what about the cases where the women rape the men? Is it because the men wear skanky clothing? I seriously doubt it. Most people think that it's only men who rape women, but they don't seem to realize that women could rape men. It's a rare case, but sometimes it happens.
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It seems unnecessary, but I'd rather not look like I'm avoiding the question thing: my point merely was that *some* people /do/ seem to need artificial means (makeup, etc.) to feel beautiful. Personally, I know this from my sister. I know /some/ of what she's gone through. Quote:
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A beautiful mate may very well be (in, no doubt, the most complimentary sense imaginable) the greatest accomplishment a person will ever make in their life; at least, from some Western perspectives. Nor do I find such a thing at all unreasonable: after all, people are beautiful. Last edited by FreezeWarp; August 17, 2011 at 05:53:45 AM. |
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A could example of this I actually can source (both from several Indian friends and separate research) is India, where in rural areas husbands will still, in rare but all the same existent cases, set their spouse aflame if upset at them (usually results in death), while in Urban areas the story is much more... well, basically, you'd be hung for the same act, more or less. Quote:
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In general, the idea of consent is fairly key. In playing out a (fairly typical, I would assume) rape scenario in my mind, I imagine something along the lines of a man forcing himself upon a women, despite her repeated attempts to get away, calls for help, insults, whatever. Essentially, he is refusing to remove himself from her body despite her (words fail here) wishes. And, somehow, the idea that she somehow still wa s at (any level of) fault for causing an act which she, at that point, had no control over, and moreover was the sole victim of (to a crime considered second to murder, no less, at least by many Western countries), well, it doesn't really make sense. I can read your point to reasonably say (and leave it quite simply as) "men have no control over themselves", but I'm pretty sure that's not the idea here. Again, the scale of things is important: I'm not talking about any statistical benefit (which I'm sure exists, but still at what cost?), I'm talking about real-life situations. Incidents of rape that actually happen. And at no point do I see a reasonable explanation for how a women, by dressing slightly proactively, can be seen as the cause for an abhorrent violation of her rights. In truth, I'm almost wondering what you define rape as. (Also, p.s., this entire little subsection of the post is largely a string of words, since I know of no intelligent way of expressing the idea at hand. Don't take it as an insult, just a raw feed of what I think to myself as I try to understand where you are coming from.) Last edited by FreezeWarp; August 17, 2011 at 02:06:01 PM. |
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these type of subjects are usually very diverse =3
but as for me i dont believe in anything, this is my opinion so no flaming me yeah? 1- thinking that we are the only living things in the universe is just stupid, and thinking that IF there was a god he would just be on this planet is abit odd. 2-if there was a god seeing everything that goes on in this world ranging from murder,kidnapping,war etc dont you think he would have done something by now? remember this is my opinion so respect it, more than welcome to pick holes though. but if anything i think people are relying to much on "god" these days if you are interested i can expand on that but that does not have anything to do with this subject though =3 Last edited by Shadow-lucario; May 22, 2012 at 03:20:58 AM. |
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Even though I am quite the religious person myself, I completely respect your opinion and I believe you. There has to be something more than just us in the universe, and wouldn't there be a God for them too? And with all these bad acts going on, it's almost like he doesn't do much.
My personal opinion is that I believe God governs the whole universe, and that even though murder and all these things happen, it's just natural law. It happens in the animal kingdom everyday, and since we're just evolved mammals, it would be natural for us to behave similarly somehow. |
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I am an atheist because i view everything scientifically and a higher diety makes no sense to me. I also think that religions are illogical because they limit people for stupid reasons.
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@Rape debate: Middle East =/= 'Murica. The countries are vastly different and on top of that, white men pretty much dominate the US, period. Also, the most common defense in rape cases (for those that the defendant is male) is that it was consensual. Some even say she had it coming due to clothes and whatevs. It's just flawed, badly. The US crime system is also flawed and only looks good on paper. Just because she smiles at you, does not mean she wants to go home with you. For some reason, men have a VERY hard time figuring out the difference.
About Religion: Personally, I do not practice a Religion due to the fact that I view prayers and practices as therapy. HOWEVER, I do believe there is SOME sort of being that guards/guides spirits. C'mon, if you believe ghosts are real (which they ARE) then you pretty much accept that "holy" beings also exist. Both are not explained by science, so that's not a defense. Edit: I forgot to mention what I do believe in, lol. I view more on will more than anything. Your choices will grant me the ability to judge you (not in a mean way, lol). Bad choices, bad person. Good choices, good person. Simple, observant, fascinating. Last edited by Sub-zero; November 14, 2013 at 06:07:59 PM. |
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After reading the last few pages of thread . . . I'm still wondering how the "debate" about rape popped up ._.
Anyway, in the hopes of clarifying the argument that if God was a thing, there wouldn't be murder and bank robberies and West Nile Virus and everything . . . Okay, West Nile is a bad example because that's just nature being nature, but most religions are pretty straightforward about some God-like figure or another giving people free will. To have divine intervention stop someone from clubbing someone else over the head may save the other's live (or, at the very least, a lot of trouble for both of them) but it would also suspend the free will of the attacker. Plus, divine intervention seems to be a pretty rare thing to being with. There do seem to be some exceptions to this in the Bible and whatnot iirc, so there's got to be more to this, but just some food for thought. |
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This is kind of more of a opinion question, but how does everyone feel about the word "pray"? When someone says, "I'll pray for you" do you take this as ridiculous because you think religion is ridiculous or do you view their emotions meaning you view that sentence as "I'm hoping things will get better for you" without the religious contents?
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When most people say "I'll pray for [insert something here]," they mean "I'll keep that in mind and I hope said situation gets better," and maybe "if I have a good memory I'll give it a recitation at Church next Sunday." I've even known a few atheists/agnostics who say that once in a while.
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I thought I had replied to this... Anyways, do you know of a certain group (forgot what they call themselves) who are composed of White males and consider them Atheists of some sort? They downright spit at those who follow any Religion and look down on such words as "I'll pray for you" and such. Dangit, I wish I could remember what they were called. I believe they started on the internet.
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