Victory Road  

Go Back   Victory Road > Pokémon > Other Pokémon Gaming > Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum

Notices

 
 
  #1  
Old November 23, 2009, 06:38:29 PM
GreenLiquid's Avatar
GreenLiquid GreenLiquid is offline
Regigigas
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Galactic Veilstone Building Base
Posts: 881
Default Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

The Diamond/Pearl games have what is probably my favorite storyline in a Pokémon game, mostly thanks to its fairly continuous development and its villainous team, Team Galactic. Cyrus is probably one of my favorite characters to appear in a main-series game, because he's rather well characterized, through his own words and actions and those of others. He also expresses his own motivations in a way that no other character in the games yet has. However, he is also probably the most ruthless villain ever to appear in a main-series game. So I'd like to see what others think of Galactic's cruel leader.

I would also like to hear people's opinions on the 'theory' that Cyrus was, during the events of D/P, under the curse of Mespirit (which causes one to lose all emotional capacity). One of my friends brought this up, and we debated it for a while without reaching a solid conclusion. I considered his anger at losing command of Dialga/Palkia to be evidence for this not being the case, but one could also suppose that his emotional ability somehow returned after gaining possession of the Red Chain, since he showed no signs of emotion prior to that event. Does the anime shed any light on this situation? I've not yet seen any episodes with Cyrus in them.
  #2  
Old November 23, 2009, 06:51:00 PM
LiteTheIronMan's Avatar
LiteTheIronMan LiteTheIronMan is offline
Shaymin
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Final Destination
Posts: 2,908
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

Word for word, when I saw that Cyrus wanted to eliminate all emotion in the world, I was literally saying out loud: "Cyrus, you're a cold m*th*r******r." Sorry for the swears, but it's kinda true.

That Mesprit theory is kind of viable... If you can find any more evidence to back it up I'd totally believe it.
  #3  
Old November 23, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
Sunny's Avatar
Sunny Sunny is offline
Keldeo
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Under yo bed. :V
Posts: 1,176
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

Cyrus is a badass~! =w=

Its been awhile since ive been through the storyline but if I remembered correctly he was even leading on his own army of grunts saying "Im going to make a better world!" or some lie like that. Giovanni ain't got nothin on him.
  #4  
Old November 24, 2009, 12:39:45 PM
Cat333Pokémon's Avatar
Cat333Pokémon Cat333Pokémon is offline
Administrator

 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Nevada
Posts: 10,353
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

In Diamond and Pearl, his plan was to destroy all life and start anew using Palkia to shape the world and Dialga to let time run in said world. Then, in Platinum, he realized he needed Giratina to create the negative version of his world.
  #5  
Old November 24, 2009, 02:06:06 PM
Ningamer's Avatar
Ningamer Ningamer is offline
Giratina
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: South-East England
Posts: 3,539
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

I'll make this short and sweet:

Cyrus makes Giovanni look like a mouse.
  #6  
Old November 28, 2009, 04:48:11 PM
Serenade's Avatar
Serenade Serenade is offline
Volcarona
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Ryndafar- WAY beyond anything yo
Posts: 617
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

I like how he wanted a new world and all, but I thought he kind of over dominated the plot a bit. In r/b/y Giovanni and team rocket didn't directly show up in the plot nearly as much, and were more of a gang rather than a cult like Cyrus had. Cyrus was awesome, but should have been given higher leveled pokemon.

I wonder what it would be like to have a game without some kind of crazy "team" trying for some bizzare motive... and then have them come in AFTER the pokemon league with higher leveled pokemon than they would have before...
  #7  
Old November 30, 2009, 05:56:49 AM
RageOfInnocence's Avatar
RageOfInnocence RageOfInnocence is offline
Charizard
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Almia region
Posts: 119
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

I agree that Cyrus is the best villian/team leader in the games, that is, since Giovanni in R/B/Y and the anime...it's sad that because Team Rocket isn't set up in Hoenn or Sinnoh that we haven't see Team Rocket (the real criminal organization) since the Johto years (eps. like Lugia or Red Gyarados which ironically Giovanni wasn't even in, not to mention the only time we ever see him at all anymore is in Meowth's boss fantasies). So yes, having played through Diamond/Platinum, and following the Team Galactic storyline in the anime, Cyrus is both evil and delusional...however if I were to name the most ruthless villian in the Pokemon world, it would have be Hunter J....that being said, I am really looking forward to seeing her and Cyrus together (or at least as part of the Team Galactic climax) in the upcoming lake Pokemon episode...

Best Cyrus quote (From D/P/P): "Pity and compassion are the products of the weak and lacking human heart...you were compelled to come here by some vacuous sympathy...I will make you regret paying heed to your heart!"
  #8  
Old November 30, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
Cat333Pokémon's Avatar
Cat333Pokémon Cat333Pokémon is offline
Administrator

 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Nevada
Posts: 10,353
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RageOfInnocence
...not to mention the only time we ever see him at all anymore is in Meowth's boss fantasies
I actually quite like those parts. They were one of my favorite Team Rocket "gags" from early on and I was quite glad when I saw they were still doing it in the Sinnoh region.
  #9  
Old November 30, 2009, 12:01:24 PM
RageOfInnocence's Avatar
RageOfInnocence RageOfInnocence is offline
Charizard
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Almia region
Posts: 119
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat333Pokémon
Quote:
Originally Posted by RageOfInnocence
...not to mention the only time we ever see him at all anymore is in Meowth's boss fantasies
I actually quite like those parts. They were one of my favorite Team Rocket "gags" from early on and I was quite glad when I saw they were still doing it in the Sinnoh region.

oh, I didn't mean there were anything wrong with them....
  #10  
Old December 3, 2009, 11:24:40 PM
The Spirit of Time's Avatar
The Spirit of Time The Spirit of Time is offline
Rayquaza
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Dubai
Posts: 4,208
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat333Pokémon
In Diamond and Pearl, his plan was to destroy all life and start anew using Palkia to shape the world and Dialga to let time run in said world. Then, in Platinum, he realized he needed Giratina to create the negative version of his world.
In Diamond, he wanted Dialga to create his own future.
In Pearl, he wanted Palkia to re-shape the universe.
In Platinum, he wanted both of the dragons, but surprisingly, Giratina came from nowhere.

Also, regarding Cyrus, he is awesome and my favorite villain!
  #11  
Old December 4, 2009, 09:07:10 AM
Shadow's Avatar
Shadow Shadow is offline
Giratina
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Dubai
Posts: 3,327
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

Cyrus is inevitably stripped of emotions, and his character is built on a belief that the world can never be perfect with such emotions that weaken people. We can clearly see this from all his speeches, and his plan to create a new world free of such pathetic emotions.
He is one of my favourite villain characters of the Pokemon series.
  #12  
Old December 4, 2009, 03:12:32 PM
LiteTheIronMan's Avatar
LiteTheIronMan LiteTheIronMan is offline
Shaymin
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Final Destination
Posts: 2,908
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

Has anyone ever met Cyrus's grandpa? It's a pretty sad story.
  #13  
Old December 4, 2009, 03:39:28 PM
Luxray13579's Avatar
Luxray13579 Luxray13579 is offline
Shaymin
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Narnia~
Posts: 2,837
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

I have and yeah I agree I fell bad for Cyrus. why didn't he have friends.
I've met the person in the desert and the people in sunnyshore who talk about Cyrus.
  #14  
Old December 26, 2009, 08:33:48 AM
TurtwigX's Avatar
TurtwigX TurtwigX is offline
Giratina
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Strawberry Field- permanent stay
Posts: 3,088
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

[quote=The Spirit of Time]
Quote:
Originally Posted by "Cat333Pokémon":1ca4gmii
In Diamond and Pearl, his plan was to destroy all life and start anew using Palkia to shape the world and Dialga to let time run in said world. Then, in Platinum, he realized he needed Giratina to create the negative version of his world.
In Diamond, he wanted Dialga to create his own future.
In Pearl, he wanted Palkia to re-shape the universe.
In Platinum, he wanted both of the dragons, but surprisingly, Giratina came from nowhere.

Also, regarding Cyrus, he is awesome and my favorite villain![/quote:1ca4gmii]
That is true that in D/P that he wanted just one so he could achieve his goal. But in Pt, it all had to change to fit the new stroyline.
Cyrus wanted to destroy the universe and reshape it with Dialga and Palkia since he had the red chains, but the Giratina came out, ver very angry at Cyrus for messing with him as the Pokemon of dimensions. So Giratina tried his best to stop Cyrus from doing harm to the world and his world, but Giratina just opened a portal that would destroy their world if Giratina wasn't calmed down.
  #15  
Old December 26, 2009, 09:50:41 AM
crapgame's Avatar
crapgame crapgame is offline
Servine
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 65
Default Re: Your Thoughts on Cyrus?

On the whole curse of mesprit theory, i have mixed emotions about it. Perhaps his emotions came back due to him entering the distortion world, bwcause thats when he begins to show fear/anger. Or maybe its when hes been defeated for the last time by the player. These things could have knocked him out of it.
But perhaps he had a traumatizing history that caused him to express himself with no care for other life other then himself.
  #16  
Old December 31, 2009, 12:42:30 PM
Mooshykris Mooshykris is offline
Servine
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 50
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat333Pokémon View Post
In Diamond and Pearl, his plan was to destroy all life and start anew using Palkia to shape the world and Dialga to let time run in said world. Then, in Platinum, he realized he needed Giratina to create the negative version of his world.
What would that negative world be, a world like our own, with emotion? xD
  #17  
Old December 31, 2009, 03:22:05 PM
GreenLiquid's Avatar
GreenLiquid GreenLiquid is offline
Regigigas
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Galactic Veilstone Building Base
Posts: 881
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooshykris View Post
What would that negative world be, a world like our own, with emotion? xD
Heh, probably. In that sense it's possible that he'd fail no matter what he did. On the other hand, his distortion world might be even more disturbing.
  #18  
Old January 1, 2010, 12:35:55 AM
Mooshykris Mooshykris is offline
Servine
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 50
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLiquid View Post
Heh, probably. In that sense it's possible that he'd fail no matter what he did. On the other hand, his distortion world might be even more disturbing.
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that xD
  #19  
Old January 1, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
LiteTheIronMan's Avatar
LiteTheIronMan LiteTheIronMan is offline
Shaymin
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Final Destination
Posts: 2,908
Default

He seemed to not have any emotions at all from the get-go. If you ask some of his relatives, he rejected human contact in its entireity as a child, instead turning to the company of machines and computers. He probably picked up his detatched personality from his childhood.
  #20  
Old January 1, 2010, 01:34:56 PM
Sableyed's Avatar
Sableyed Sableyed is offline
Regigigas
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: A World Pure of Imagination
Posts: 999
Default

Personally, I think his music is terrible. He only had one hit, which is one of the most annoying songs ever. Also, his daughter has no talent.

Oh, wait, that Cyrus. Meh. He doesn't seem evil, just crazy and assured that he is right. It's still probably best not to let him destroy the world.
  #21  
Old January 1, 2010, 04:23:27 PM
Seadra's Avatar
Seadra Seadra is offline
Joltik
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 12
Default

He talks too much. I didn't even read his speech.
  #22  
Old January 11, 2010, 08:17:35 PM
Arxi's Avatar
Arxi Arxi is offline
Pikachu
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Arxi Central
Posts: 7
Default

Cryus was built for Evil.
His detailed verdict was actually stunning when I first played Pt and Diamond,
I was actually going, "Wow, finally someone who's serious..."
But I'd say, he's a bit...eh... ^^;

I like his design, said simply.
Oh Epic Battle Music Much? Yes~ XD
  #23  
Old January 15, 2010, 04:15:00 PM
Sphinx Sphinx is offline
Floatzel
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 196
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Serenade View Post
I wonder what it would be like to have a game without some kind of crazy "team" trying for some bizzare motive...
That much has already happened. Team Magma and Aqua would have killed the world by completing their goals.
  #24  
Old January 17, 2010, 07:48:22 AM
XD001's Avatar
XD001 XD001 is offline
Cyndaquil
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: England
Posts: 28
Default

I see Cyrus as overlooking the corruption of humanity. Indeed, emotions such as greed and anger make this world look like it is destined to be destroyed. Cyrus may of intended to create a better world without spirit or emotion to "weaken" people so the goal of ultimate peace may be achieved, yet the vision of such is horrific and shows that Cyrus may also fall victim to those emotions and creating an unquenchable thirst and desire for power. Despite this, the Mesprit curse theory also works.
  #25  
Old January 17, 2010, 11:05:14 PM
James's Avatar
James James is offline
Volcarona
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Johto
Posts: 665
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by luxray13579 View Post
I have and yeah I agree I fell bad for Cyrus. why didn't he have friends.
I've met the person in the desert and the people in sunnyshore who talk about Cyrus.
He must've had a rough childhood.
  #26  
Old January 18, 2010, 09:05:23 AM
GreenLiquid's Avatar
GreenLiquid GreenLiquid is offline
Regigigas
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Galactic Veilstone Building Base
Posts: 881
Default

Based on the comments of the people who knew him, I suppose his childhood was marred by feelings of sadness and loneliness. Those emotions may have stopped him from rising to his potential, and as such, he may have developed a mindset that all emotions are impediments. From there, I guess sorrow compounded these feelings into obsession, and when he learned about the lake spirits, he became determined to erase the very thing that had caused him so much pain. Of course, the irony is that in his campaign against the destruction of emotions, he himself is being driven by very strong ones, which makes one wonder how anything could ever be accomplished in the world he sought to create.
  #27  
Old January 19, 2010, 07:13:29 PM
LiteTheIronMan's Avatar
LiteTheIronMan LiteTheIronMan is offline
Shaymin
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Final Destination
Posts: 2,908
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLiquid View Post
Based on the comments of the people who knew him, I suppose his childhood was marred by feelings of sadness and loneliness. Those emotions may have stopped him from rising to his potential, and as such, he may have developed a mindset that all emotions are impediments. From there, I guess sorrow compounded these feelings into obsession, and when he learned about the lake spirits, he became determined to erase the very thing that had caused him so much pain. Of course, the irony is that in his campaign against the destruction of emotions, he himself is being driven by very strong ones, which makes one wonder how anything could ever be accomplished in the world he sought to create.
Yes, such insanities are so misguided as to bring one to their eventual downfall. In trying to rid the world of emotions, the ironically emotion-driven Cyrus breaks down in a fit of anger when the player defeats him in the Distortion World. His twisted reality of a world without emotions would've probably driven him even more insane, with a Distortion World (or opposite world) of life and emotions. Giratina had the right idea when he brought Cyrus into the Distortion World.
  #28  
Old January 22, 2010, 09:20:15 AM
Flare Soru's Avatar
Flare Soru Flare Soru is offline
Volcarona
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: There. *points at map*
Posts: 537
Default

crazy old guy that needs put in a psycho ward.

I'm serious

Last edited by Flare Soru; January 22, 2010 at 09:20:32 AM.
  #29  
Old January 29, 2010, 11:30:05 PM
FreezeWarp's Avatar
FreezeWarp FreezeWarp is offline
Kyurem
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,192
Default

Well, I've always seen his Platinum plot as being somewhat Hitlerish (for lack of a better term); he gets all these people to follow him blindly, because of the big speeches and promises he makes. In doing so, he is wiping out an (or the) entire human race.
 
Thread Tools

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Victory Road ©2006 - 2020, Scott Cat333Pokémon Cheney
Theme by A'bom and Cat333Pokémon