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Drizzle went to Round 2. There will be a new suspect list soon with these who got to round 2 and probably new threats.
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Anyway, I don't believe that Manaphy got to Round 2! Nevertheless, if it gains the same score, it will be banned, and I totally want it to be banned. Last edited by The Spirit of Time; January 3, 2011 at 04:21:06 AM. |
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Agreed. Manaphy seems almost totally invincible under the rain with instant recovery, great 100-all stats and means to boost them in Tail Glow and Calm Mind. STAB, Rain boosted Water-type moves after TG or CM coming off a 100 SpA stat will allow Manaphy to tear through the whole metagame with ease, even against Pokémon resisting it. Last edited by Shadow; January 3, 2011 at 04:47:17 AM. |
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I just hope by the time march 6th comes around and these games out to USA and others that dont have it, I just hope that the tiers list dont come out right when the games come out, cause i really want to try garchomp and some others in OU before they are moved to another tier. And yes if I had to I would go on Pokemon (DISALLOWED) and try them there if that comes to it.
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I hope round 2 doesn't take a lot of time, as I really want to explore the new metagame as soon as it is properly established. >_> |
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I'll be trying my best to continue this in Gen V's metagame. I hate how some people just cram the top OU Pokémon into a single team, giving it little to no thought, and start battling as though they are guaranteed to win. >_> Last edited by Shadow; January 11, 2011 at 07:11:59 AM. |
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After looking through discussion of Gen. 4 tiers from years ago and how completely incorrect they sometimes were, I want to remind everyone to ABUSE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN WHILE YOU CAN.
Aerodactyl, the speedy and powerful Pokemon used to be in UU. Heck, this was at the same time people thought Shedinja and Articuno should stay in OU after they were dropped down to UU. So yeah, tier lists take a while to truly develop, but its still fun to play with what you get! EDIT: More old-thread looking. Tyranitar used to be in Ubers, Deoxys-L in OU, and Smeargle was UU. Als, people thought Mesprit should be in Ubers. XD Oh god, the things people come up with! Last edited by Alakazamaster; January 20, 2011 at 06:59:05 PM. |
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I have been following some people's nominations, and I have to say that most people are nominating Kingdra, Reuniclus and Landorus to be in Ubers. Of course, Excadrill, Manaphy and Drizzle are on the list as well.
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The metagame is currently heading in the right direction. Manaphy is definitely broken with Tail Glow and Rest + Hydration under permanent Rain, so Ubers is the perfect tier for it. Excadrill can be regarded as a slightly powerful, Sandstorm counterpart of Kingdra, and so belongs to the OU tier. Latios + Latias have become less threatening in this generation, while Reuniclus is not yet Uber material, so placing them all in the OU tier is the best decision. Obviously, Deoxys-N deserves to be put nowhere but in Ubers.
Now, I'm actually really happy that Manaphy is banned. Perhaps this might make Rain seem less broken to the testers, as Manaphy was the single biggest threat in it. The others are still strong, but they are much more manageable. If, however, noobs start to make stupid Rain teams due to Drizzle, then I would rather have Drizzle banned so that people don't regard me as a noob, too. Nevertheless, I'm curious to see how the new testing round will go. Last edited by Shadow; January 31, 2011 at 07:10:24 AM. |
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As such, I don't think Drizzle should be banned altogether, since its still very much counterable, I have found. Oh, and have people been using Hydration Vaporeon in the metagame? I would think something like that would be important to note, since its incredibly bulky and one-turn full HP restoration seems like a lot. |
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Also, this combination is only disallowed in the OU tier for now. It's unlikely that the same will be done in the Uber tier, since Kyogre existed a long time before and Swift Swimmers were always used with it. Last edited by Shadow; February 8, 2011 at 06:46:13 AM. |
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Yes, but I assume this is only temporary; once the new metagame settles down and stabilizes, the usage of certain Pokémon is going to change. Plus, Ferrothorn has some flaws which can be relatively easily exploited, but its defensive capabilities make that a tougher job.
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Kray, Ditto, and I were going through some suspect ubers suggestions. What the hell was Sawsbuck doing in there? I keep thinking maybe it has something to do with Sap Sipper, but Sawsbuck doesn't really have a solid STAB physical grass move besides its signature move, the 70 acc. Horn Leech.
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Sawsbuck then gets STAB Return which can OHKO Pokemon like Latios who normally are a pain to take down, as well as Horn Leech, which will keep Sawsbuck healthy while still offering the extremely useful Grass/Normal coverage that hits almost everything. Grass/Normal doesn't hit Steel-types, though, which is why Jump Kick and Nature Power are such useful moves. Nature Power even takes the form of Earthquake during Wifi battles, which is more than enough to take down most Steel-types. Once you get Pokemon like Skarmory or maybe Bronzong out of the way, Sawsbuck is more than capable of destroying teams under the sun. Last edited by Alakazamaster; June 16, 2011 at 09:57:58 AM. |
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FFFFFFFFFFF I need a Sawsbuck.
Another interesting thing we were looking at was Solosis as a viable Uber Trick Room Endeavor slave. The concept certainly interested me, although I'm more used to Sturdyers as an overall Endeavor tactic now. |
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I hate when smogon slams these things in our faces without anyone knowing whats going on unless your a member of the forum. Like recently I was about to use garchomp and then the day i was going to use him for the first time in b/w he gets banned from OU. Heck next im going to use say dexoys-D and might get banned from OU too or something.
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Could you explain how that would work? I could see it getting one Endeavor down, and then sandstorm finishing foes off, but it would only really take down one Pokemon, when Aron could take down a few since it has the benefit of going second and Shell Bell kicking in. Solosis could just be prioritized the next turn when it has to rely on getting its HP back up, and with Rayquaza running around everywhere it may not be to difficult to get done. Last edited by Alakazamaster; June 16, 2011 at 11:25:04 AM. |
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Pokemon that rely on their abilities as their defining gimmick (Shedijna, Arceus, Slaking, Archeops) don't get Dream World abilities, so sadly Archeops will be forever unused. |
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I got a queston that i heard rumors about that Pikachu with lightball is banned to ubers? Im not sure if its true or not but i just traded a lightball from someone and they said this, but i checked smogon and nothing on there says if it is or not.
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For those of you interested, the strategy dex for Gen. 5 is now available on Smogon, providing useful movesets all in one convenient location! Not every Pokemon has a moveset up, though, but more commonly used OU, UU, and Uber Pokemon are up, and even a few Limbo ones!
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