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I agree, any step towards less violence is a good step. Our family owns a few guns, I don't know why, but we do. I am against guns. When I ask people, even my own family, why they have guns, they answer it is to protect themselves... from people with guns...
Day-to-day people shouldn't need a gun. Guns are beneficial to hunters and sometimes farmers, and that is about it (with the exception of sports, but that isn't really important, IMO). What I also hate is how just the scare that the government is going to take guns away makes people want to go get guns... Because of that there are even more guns in houses. This makes guns easier for anyone to get when they are stocked in so many houses... Basically, I am again guns and rather then only be issued for military purposes. |
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The way I see it, guns are evil creations that can be turned into mass killing machines by the wrong people. I don't even like military use of them, but there's no way they'll be permanently eradicated.
I don't think there's any real need for gun control, just PEOPLE control. To quote something, I forget where, "Guns don't kill people, I kill people." If the government takes the time out to put strict rules against them (Against the second amendment) then there'll be A: New weapons for mass murder, not stopping crazy people, or B: A LOT more illegal gun selling. Though you may say I'm a dreamer, I think people who commit these acts should be locked up and kept away. Those who are sane and have guns for defense and hunting use them for... defense. And hunting. |
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I don't agree that more strict gun control is the right way to go; while I would love less violence in the world, making it harder for people to legally buy a gun and ammunition isn't going to change that. Actually, I think it will make things worse; the people who are crazy and evil enough to go out and kill people with a gun aren't going to care about the laws that are out there now - the guy who shot all the kids in the school last December broke over 450 laws in doing so, and I doubt he gave a darn - so how exactly is one more law going to make a difference?
If you were to look at the statistics, Cities, States, Provinces and Countries where guns are more tightly controlled are more often than not the places where crime is highest. And even if we were to ban guns and destroy them all, the evil people will just smuggle them from another country, or just resort to using knives and machetes and homemade bombs, things like that. People who own and carry them for defense use them for just that: defense. There's a saying I read in an article about the shooting up in the Clackamas Town Center Mall that said "The only thing that can stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun", and from what I've seen, that saying holds true. |
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I do think it does need some controlling, but I think the wrong approach is trying to be taken. Honestly, I think there's other things that should be controlled and regulated other than guns.
Edit: For example, we should probably be explaining how guns are good for sports and "last minute defending", rather than being the solution for fixing your bully problems/getting attention. >.> The media has a lot to do with this and is something that should be more looked into rather than trying to control gun sales themselves. Last edited by Sub-zero; April 28, 2013 at 04:01:54 PM. |
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Gun control- making some or all guns illegal to buy or possess. Because criminals follow the law. After all, there aren't any pot smokers in the country, because it is illegal. There weren't any alcoholics back during prohibition in america because alcohol was illegal.
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As Spiky already mentioned, making stricter gun control laws won't really affect those who decide to use guns for illegal means. Most people who commit crimes via gun violence most likely obtained those guns in an illegal manner, so having stricter gun control would actually harm the civilians more than help.
My brother brought up a good point about a similar discussion - banning alcohol and tobacco. He said (somewhere around the lines of) making these things illegal won't make people stop using them, it'll just make people obtain those things in an illegal fashion, thus causing crime to go up rather than down. Just look at the prohibition era - did people stop drinking alcohol? I'm sure some did, but it caused so many people to become bootleggers in the north and moonshiners in the south. It created speakeasies and was even the reason why organized crime gangs were started. Now tell me - would banning guns mean nobody will use guns? No. People will still get guns, be it smuggling across borders, purchasing it from a black market dealer, or even going as far as to buy a 3D printer and materials to print their own gun. Banning guns won't decrease crime rates - just the opposite will happen. Last edited by Quadcentruo; April 29, 2013 at 11:17:24 AM. |
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Crime itself is a huge problem, not just guns. In fact, I would argue more that Burglaries and Robberies are more of a problem than the right to bear arms. Last edited by Sub-zero; November 14, 2013 at 05:43:26 PM. |
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For God's sake, at least make it harder for people to shoot people instead of doing nothing. Last edited by Dragonite; November 14, 2013 at 05:56:46 PM. |
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I wouldn't say they are the problem. What comes to it is the punishment for murder. As all should know, murder (in Texas) is a felony. Felonies make it harder to find a job, considering you get out of prison alive or with bail (which the price is high). With a weapon present, most of crimes will move up the ladder, meaning your punishment will be higher. Whether you decide to ignore this or not (hint, this is why murder spree murders kill themselves) is up to you. People just don't THINK before they act. Guns are a problem when discussing Robberies, though (Aggravated Robberies). Edit: I guess if you're bold enough to kill, you're pretty much bold enough to get yourself killed. Karma sucks. For example, if ALL murders were bumped to the Death Penalty, I'm pretty sure we'd see a sharp decrease of them due to fear of punishment. It's just an example, lol. Last edited by Sub-zero; November 14, 2013 at 06:15:55 PM. |
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As an afternote, I also don't believe in using the death penalty as a rationale for killing people. I suppose that changes how my argument is interpreted a little. |
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Lol, death penalty would indeed be too drastic, but hey, it'd work. xD I'm for the death penalty, btw. But, the less expensive one. You know... Not lethal injection. Hey, if you commit a serious crime, you get a serious punishment! |
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My thing about the second amendment is that it says this:
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(By the way, I like how the people here are able to handle the subject of gun control like civilized people. Most Internet discussions on this I've looked at have people shouting at each other in formatted text after about three or four posts :3 ) |
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I'm not too deep into law yet, but I am going to school for law enforcement, so I has to know the law. In Texas, anyways. |
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We can barely control our own cops! It's gotten to the point where it feels like cops in movies are better cops because it seems like whenever a cop gets an opportunity to use a gun he'll go through with it without thinking and someone ends up getting either hurt or worse killed by of some stupid cop! Last edited by Magmaster12; November 14, 2013 at 07:35:20 PM. |
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Speaking of one does not speak for all. Don't be ignorant. Edit: Lol, movies are the worst. Crime shows sometimes put fluids in ziplock bags. Seriously, what? Last edited by Sub-zero; November 14, 2013 at 07:49:14 PM. |
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As for media stuff, that's not fully true because earlier this year when there where gun shots at the capital all they went on about was how the woman was crazy and not once brought up if anyone in the FBI saw her as a real threat that she needed to be killed in front of her baby! |
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I don't know that case. O.o Link? If the FBI was on her, then her heat was pretty rad. Edit: Going kinda off topic. Police shootings =/= 2nd Amendment. You're involving a totally different matter into this topic. Last edited by Sub-zero; November 14, 2013 at 08:04:20 PM. |
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Of all the people that handle guns on a regular basis, I'm pretty sure law enforcement are the best qualified and the least of our worries. Last edited by Dragonite; November 14, 2013 at 08:22:33 PM. |
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Agreed on law enforcement, though training sessions should be increased. Just for seasoning. |
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I didn't want to just edit so that this would be noticed, so I'll just break the rules real quick and double post. I'm so bad. Anywho, Dragonite! After having discussion in class a bit, I've come to tell you that my previous answer to helping prevent crime is actually a relatively useless way to help prevent it. Building more prisons/jails would only lead to loss of tax dollars and those imprisonment buildings to become full, thus doing nothing for the community.
Instead, a better note would be to encourage community cooperation. Get to know your neighbor and that way, in turn, criminals can be caught more effectively or you'll probably just scare them out of your community. There's is no better fighting to crime than to get the community to assist peace officers, even by keeping your eyes out. Keep note of cars you don't recognize and write down the license plate number along with the type of vehicle. The more alert the community, the less the crime. ALSO, the professor noted that here in a Texas, there is a guy running for governor who wants to allow citizens to freely carry a weapon around town. Currently, you can in a Texas roads, but not elsewhere. As a previous Police Chief, our professor said this will surely become a problem for officer safety. If something like that does pass, I won't be surprised if more shootings occur. So, in a way, I take back that guns aren't a problem because they certainly can be, especially is EVERYONE can carry one PUBLICLY. |
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Interesting you mention that. It brings to mind something that happened in my home state a few months ago.
http://newarknj.patch.com/groups/pol...ng-gun-buyback I forget what their final numbers were, but it's one of their most successful attempts to make the place more safe, if not the most successful. |
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That is, indeed, not a bad idea. Add the fact that people just need money, that is definitely a pretty good alternative that is by choice rather than law enforcing the removal of weapons. Good deal! I wouldn't be surprised it crime slowly declines (with aggravated and murder by a firearm obviously going down), but crime itself will never go away. It's a shame that those who don't want to be victims must literally take a number of precautions since crime is so overwhelming in this day and age.
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